【海外の反応】ふつつかな悪女6話、「根性はクトゥルフの恐怖より強いんだよ」

これって百合？

is this yuri?

慧月をいじめて、そのあと抱きしめてやりたい

>>1

I want to bully then [spoiler]hug[/spoiler] Keigetsu

あの子、どうやってそれに気づいたんだ？

How did she figure that out?

次回でその答えが出るよ

>>3

next ep will answer that

漫画だと彼女のギャップがすごく面白いんだよな。
結構好き

>>4

In the comic, her contrast is really interesting.
I quite like her.

師匠と穏やかにじっくり話し合ったんだよ。
それに、あの弓だけのおかげじゃないからな。毎晩の鍛錬が実を結んだってこと、一応言っとく

>>3 >>8

she had a nice and calm conversation with her master.
[spoiler]Not only that bow, mind you. All that nighly training paid off, just saying.[/spoiler]

一日中的を射てたら、なんで香炉が壊れるんだ？

How did shooting the target all day break the incense burner?

ネタバレの領域だし、文字通り次回で答えが出るからだよ。今回、あの弓にどんな力があるのかちゃんと説明してなかったか？

>>7

because it's spoiler territory that will literally be answered next episode. Didn't this episode literally tells you what the bow power supposed to be?

その力が本物なら、もっと腕のいい射手に頼めばよくね？

>>8

If the power is real why not ask better archer then?

なんで弓の力で入れ替わりまで解けなかったんだ？

Why didn't the bow dispel the bodyswap too?

これどういう仕組み？水は土に剋されるんじゃなかったっけ？彼女は木か金の気じゃないとおかしくない？

How does this work, doesn't water overcome earth? Shouldn't she be wood or metal qi?

時計回りに巡る順番にも従ってると思う

>>11

i think it follow clockwise rotation aswell

ちょっと待て…
じゃあ青いのは水じゃないってこと？

>>11 >>12

Hang on...
So the blue one isn't water?

OPの絵の藍芳春の衣装を見れば分かるけど、青龍は木だよ
残りは、黒龍が水、白龍が金、黄龍が土、紅龍が火

>>13

As Ran Houshun's clothes in the OP pic shows, the one with the Blue dragon is Wood
As for the others, the Black dragon is Water, the White dragon is Metal, the Yellow dragon is Earth, and the Red dragon is Fire

もう？シリーズも折り返しで話を進めなきゃいけないのは分かるけど、あと数話はこの状態のままでも全然よかったな。とはいえ、どう扱うのかは気になる。似たような舞台の作品なら、誰にも信じてもらえないっていううんざりする流れをやりそうだけど、この世界は基本的に地に足がついてるとはいえ魔法は実在するから、入れ替わりの件にも誰も眉ひとつ動かさないかもしれない

Already? I get we are halfway through the series, and the story needs to move forward, but I wouldn't have minded for the show to keep this status quo for a couple more episodes. That said, I'm curious to see how they handle this. In any other show with a similar setting, I can see them going through the tiresome dance of nobody believing them, but despite being generally grounded, magic does exist in this world, so they may not even bat an eye to the whole body-swapping thing

>あと数話はこの状態のままでも全然よかったな
なあ、ラブコメ漫画の「何も起こらない」展開がトラウマになる気持ちはみんな分かってるだろ。
もっと言えば、Web小説じゃ「すれ違い」が定番タグになるくらいの流行りっぷりだ。
進めたいなら、さっさと進めさせてやれよ。

>>15

>but I wouldn't have minded for the show to keep this status quo for a couple more episodes
anon we all surely know what it means to have ptsd over nothing ever happening (tm) in romcom mangas.
worse yet, there's a enough of a trend in WNs for 'misunderstanding' to be a common tag.
let this move quickly if it wants to.

横からだけど、1巻がシリーズで一番弱いってのは同意。話の進みが早すぎたんだよな。『白豚妃再来伝』も同じだった。
確かに「何も起こらない」は何としても避けるべきだけど、これはラブコメじゃないし、もう少し今の状態を続けたところで話が損なわれることはほぼないと思う

>>16

nta but I do agree that the first volume was easily the weakest of the lot, things moved way too fast, it was the same thing with snow white sow too.
Sure nothing ever happening (tm) should be avoided at all costs, but this isn't a romcom, and keeping things as it is a little longer would hardly hurt the story

もともとは2巻で終わる予定だったんじゃなかったっけ

>>15

I think it was originally planned to be only 2 volumes.

この話はもう2回延長されてるんだよ。最初の章で終わるはずが、次は皇帝の章で終わるはずになって。今度こそ13巻か14巻で本当に完結する予定らしいけど、この調子じゃどうなるか分からん

>>18

The story already got extended 2 times. It was supposed to end with the first story arc, and then with the story arc with the emperor. Now it's supposed to end for real in volume 13 or 14, but who knows at this rate.

なんてこった。この作品の術者ってクトゥルフ的な力でも使ってんの？

Jesus. Are sorcerers in this using Lovecraftian powers or something?

冷静に考えて、もしそうならただの弓で解けるわけないだろ

>>20

let's be real, it wouldn't be undone by a mere bow if it was that

根性はクトゥルフの恐怖より強いんだよ

>>21

GRIT is stronger than lovecraftian horrors

>自分たちの姫は助かって、その救い主は倒れる
>莉莉は必死に助けを呼ぶ
>悪女はそのまま置き去り
なんでこれで終わらなかったんだ？

>their own hime is saved, her saviour collapses
>Leelee desperately calls for help
>the villainess is left abandoned
Why wasn't this the ending?

神展開すぎて胸焼けしちゃうから

>>23

It would have been kino overload

アニメが殿下を美化するプロパガンダを続けてるからだよ。原作だとあいつ本当にひどい奴だったのに、媒体が変わるたびにどんどん丸くなっていってる

>>23

Because the anime continues the Prince whitewashing propaganda. The dude was an absolute asshole originally but he gets increasingly softened down with every incarnation.

完全に悪魔の所業。さすが真の悪女

Absolutely diabolical. Sasuga the real villainess

で…これって誰だったっけ？

>>26

So... who is this again?

雅容っていう女官だよ。金清佳の女官のふりをした別人なんかじゃ絶対にない。
声の演技でバレバレなんだけど、髪の色でもかなり絞り込める

>>27

A court lady named Gayou, who is definitely not someone else pretending to be one of Seika's court ladies.
[spoiler]The voice acting very much gives it away, but you can also narrow it down a lot by the hair color[/spoiler]

>ほら魔法の獅子だ
>ほら魔法の弓だ
猫猫のほうもこんな感じだったっけ？記憶があやふやだわ

>here it is the magic lion
>here it is the magic bow
Was Maomao also like this, my memory is failing.

『薬屋のひとりごと』に魔法なんて出てきた覚えはないな

>>29

I don't remember any magic in Maomao's show.

そのうち出てくるよ。
象牙色の絹を着た雅容な。ついでに言うと、あの髪飾りは1か月くらい前に無くなった／盗まれたってことにも注目

>>30 >>27

SOON.
The ivory silk Gayou. Note also that the hair ornament went missing/was stolen around a month ago.

「獅子が反応しない、やっぱり無実だったようだ」
「いや、その剣で獅子を刺せ」
魔法を国の中枢に組み込んでる国にしては、これはさすがにでたらめすぎる

>>29

"The lion's not reacting, looks like she was innocent after all."
"Nah, stab the lion with your sword."
For a country that integrates magic into its central governing body, this sure was bullshit.

>魔法を国の中枢に組み込んでる
それ何のこと言ってる？龍の気のこと？それともインチキ祈祷師のこと？

>>32

>integrates magic into its central governing body
What are you referring to here? The [spoiler]dragons qi or the quack shaman?[/spoiler]

慧月はただの天才っていうか、突然変異みたいなもんだと思う。親父の巻物を読む前から、術で火を操って遊んでたし

I think she's just a genius freak of nature. She was magically playing with fire even before she read her dad's scrolls.

>親父の巻物を読む前から、術で火を操って遊んでたし
そう、昔から特別だったんだよな。最近は話が道術の方に深く入っていってるし、あの術の才能には何か物語上の理由があるはず

>>34

>She was magically playing with fire even before she read her dad's scrolls.
Yes, she always was special, her affinity with magic must have some plot related reason since the story is dwelling a lot into the daoist arts now

腕のいい術者が体を乗り換え続けて永遠に生きるのを、止めるものって何かあるのか？　実はこっそり生き延びてる古い術者がまだいるんじゃないかって思っちゃう

>>34

Is there anything stopping a competent sorcerer from body-hopping to stay alive forever? Makes you wonder if there's some old ones still hanging around in secret.

腕のいい術者が皇帝の体に乗り移って、術を全部禁止するのを止めるものって何かあるのか？
ネタバレとかじゃなくて、アニメ勢から見たらすごく当たり前の使い道ってだけ

>>36

Is there anything stopping a competent sorcerer from body-hopping into the emperor and outlawing all magic?
Not a spoiler or anything, just a very obvious application from animeonly perspective.

正直に答えろ、この子を更生させてやる気はあるか？

Be honest, would you be willing to fix her?

いや、慧月が玲琳を何とかしようとしてどれだけ散々な目に遭ってきたか見てるからな。俺には荷が重すぎる

>>38

No, I have seen the bullshit Keigetsu has gone through to try and fix Reirin and it is far too much for me.

玲琳っていい人……だよな？

reirin is a good person..right?

このシーンは変だと思った。玲琳がこういう女の子たちに実は弱くないってことになって、慧月の勝ちが薄れちゃう感じがする

>>40

This scene was weird to me since it kind of undercuts Keigetsu's victory with Reiren not apparently actually being weak to girls like this

そうそう、慧月は策士タイプで、玲琳は別の方面で勝つんだと思ってた。でも結局、玲琳の方が何もかも上なんだよな

>>41

Yeah, I thought that Keigetsu was going to be the strategist type, while Reirin wins on other fronts. But it turns out that Reirin is better at every thing.

>「いい子」がヤンデレ化
これがアニメで見られないのが悲しい……

>>40

>"good" girl turns yandere
it's sad we will never see this animated...

これ、お気に入りのページのひとつ

This is one of my favorite page

なんでこの子はこんなにメンヘラなんだ

>>44

Why is she such a menhera

典型的な朱家の面倒くさい女

>>45

typical Shu karen

漫画の絵めっちゃ綺麗だな。1期が終わったら読んでみるかも。先の展開まで読むかは迷ってるけど

>>44 >>46

The manga art looks so nice. Might check it out after S1, just not sure whether to read ahead.

最初から読んだ方がいいよ。絵がほんとに良いから、同じところをもう一回なぞる価値はある

>>47

you really should check from the start. The art is really good it's worth re-treading

玲琳が不本意に気絶しなかった日数：8 → 0日

IT HAS BEEN 8 0 DAYS SINCE REIREN HAS INVOLUNTARILY LOST CONSCIOUSNESS

玲琳「ぶー！　記録が途切れちゃいましたわ！」

Reirin: "Boo! I couldn't maintain my streak!"

玲琳「次は9日を目指しますわ」

reirin: gonna try 9 days next

カウンターをリセットしろ！

RESET THE CLOCK!

おい、そこでその引きはないだろ。おーーーい

BRO YOU CAN'T JUST DROP THAT CLIFFHANGER. OIIII

正直あの展開は予想してなかった。
偽の慧月の思惑も完全に片付いたし、ここからどんな話になるんだろうって思ってたんだよね。冬雪がこんなに早く玲琳に気づくのは完全に想定外だった

Honestly didn't expect that plot.
Like now that they fully cleared fake Keigetsu's intention, I was wondering what more story could be explored. Tousetsu recognising Reirin this soon is not something on my bingo card.

まあ、まだ象牙色の衣の女の件も残ってるしな

Well, there is also the matter of the lady in ivory.

結局うやむやにされる気がする。玲琳が「自分は玲琳じゃない」って言いくるめようとするかもしれない。わからんけど。それに呪いのせいで本当のことは言えないし……

I feel like they may not follow through with it.She may try to convince her otherwise that she is not Reirin. I dunno. Also because her curse wont let her tell the truth,..

呪いが発動したのは、口に出そうとしたときしか見てないんだよね。でも「そうだ」って伝える方法は他にいくらでもある。身振り、筆談、数式、体が入れ替わる別の昔話をして、自分に起きたとはっきり言わずに相手に察してもらうとか。
ただ当然の問題として、そうなったら慧月はすぐに元に戻すよう迫られて、即処刑されるだろうね。玲琳はこの体で、皆の注目の的として甘やかされる生活から離れた別の人生を送れて、すごく満足してる……むしろ慧月にその役を続けてほしいくらいだろう。玲琳の体に悪女が入ってるって誰かにバレたら、楽しい展開がひとつ即終了する

We've only seen the curse activate when trying to vocalize. But there's so many other ways you can answer in the affirmative. Gestures, writing, mathematical function, telling another folklore story of body swapping without ever trying to explicitly state that such a thing happened to you and letting the other person connect the dots.

The obvious downside being keigetsu would likely be immediately pressured into reversing it & be promptly executed. Reirin is plenty happy in this body living an alternative life away from being the central focus and pampered by everybody.. she would much rather have kei continue to fill that role for her.. If anyone finds out that the body of reirin was now inhabited by the villainess one of their happy storylines immediately ends.

神様が玲琳を病弱な体にしたのは、丈夫な体を与えたら手が付けられなくなるって分かってたからだな。
あの頬に手を当てる仕草を何度もやってたら、昔の玲琳を知ってる人にそりゃバレるわ。
慧月のいる部屋の香炉が意味ありげに何度も映ってたから、あれが毒になってるって確信した

The gods gave Reirin a weak body because they knew if they gave her a strong body she would be absolutely insane with it.
Reirin could only do that great hand to the cheek gesture so many times before someone who knew her in the before times would figure it out.
There were enough lingering shots at that brazier in the room with Keigetsu that I'm now convinced it's poisoning her.

カリスマ：10/10
意志力：10/10
知恵：10/10
気：10/10
度胸：10/10
体力：1/10

charisma: 10/10
willpower: 10/10
wisdom: 10/10
qi: 10/10
balls: 10/10
health: 1/10

度胸：10/10
たしかにとんでもない肝の据わり方してる

balls: 10/10
she does have impressive balls

正直、猫猫っぽさを感じる。周りが本人のガチで不健康な習慣から守って、手綱を握っておかないといけない感じ（笑）

Honestly giving me Maomao vibes where it seems like she needs the supporting cast to try and keep her in line and safe from her own hardcore unhealthy habits lol.

体の弱さを考えると、むしろマインの方が近いかも

Given her constitution maybe more comparable to Myne.

朱雅媚は出てくるたびにどんどん怪しくなっていく。「玲琳様のようであれば」なんて、妙に具体的な言い方だよな。ここまで来たら、見たまんまの人だったら逆にすごく驚く

Shu Gabi gets more and more sus the more she appears. "If only you were like Lady Reirin" is such an oddly specific thing to say. At this point, I'll be very surprised if she's exactly as she appears.

＞「玲琳様のようであれば」なんて、妙に具体的な言い方だよな。
慧月の頭にある考えを植え付けてるように感じた……

"If only you were like Lady Reirin" is such an oddly specific thing to say.
Feels like she was planting an idea in Lady Keigetsu's head...

それに、慧月を養女にしたのに、宮中で育てたり鍛えたり支えたりは何もしてなかったみたいだしな。まるで朱家への務めを果たすのに、慧月なんて最初から必要なかったみたいに……普通のやり方では、だけど

And also keeping in mind that she adopted Keigetsu but apparently did nothing to raise/train/support her in court, almost as if she never really needed Keigetsu to fill her duty to the Shu Clan...in the traditional manner.

全部の黒幕は朱雅媚なんじゃないかと疑ってる。体の入れ替わりのことも知ってて、あの香を送ったのも彼女だと思う。あの香は人の心と意志を蝕むっぽい。鉄の意志を持つ玲琳には絶対効かないだろうけど……長いことわざと虐げられて見下されてきた慧月なら？

I suspect Shu Gabi is behind all of this. I think she knows about the body swap and was the one to send the incense. The incense seems to attack one’s mind and will. It would never work on the iron-willed Reirin…but on Keigetsu who has been purposefully bullied and belittled for so long?

入れ替わりのことは知らないと思う。単に慧月が玲琳を殺したくなるほど憎むように仕向けてただけって感じがする。実際に慧月はそうしようとしたし。それが失敗したから、香の毒っていうもっと直接的な手に出たんじゃないかな

I don't think she knows about the body swap. It feels like she was simply trying to make her hate Reirin enough to kill her, which she tried to do. After that failed she went to a more direct method with the incense poison I assume.

玲琳の体に入った慧月は、玲琳がバカみたいにいい人で本当に運が良かったよな。玲琳は慧月を助けるために散々苦労してる。ツンデレのふりをしたり、玲琳の体のことをやけに詳しく知ってる実は医術の天才だって皆に信じ込ませようとしたり、6時間以上も弓を引き続ける儀式をやったり。まあ慧月の体に入った玲琳は、いい運動になって楽しんでるけど。
この世界には術があるから、的に当てたことで本当に解決したのか、それとも演出でタイミングを合わせただけなのか気になる

Keigetsu-in-Reirin's-body sure is lucky that Reirin is a ridiculously good person. She had to jump through so many hoops to help her - faking being a tsundere, trying to convince everyone she's secretly a medical genius who knows way too much about how Reirin's body works, and the 6+ hour bow drawing ritual. At least Reirin-in-Keigetsu's-body is enjoying the workout.
Since magic is a thing here, I wonder if hitting the target was actually what resolved the situation or if it was just timed like that for dramatic effect.

冬雪が入れ替わりに気づいたし、たぶん他にも気づく人が出てくる。後悔して振る舞いをガラッと変えるのはまだしも、踊りや医術みたいに、持ってないはずだと皆が知ってる知識や技術を急に身につけるのは別の話だからな。玲琳は全然隠せてない。まあ、入れ替わった直後に殿下に話そうとしたけど、術に阻まれたんだけどね

Tousetsu noticed the swap, more will likely notice it, too. One thing is to drastically change your behavior out of regret, another one is to suddenly acquire knowledge and skills people know you don't have, like the dancing and medicine. Reirin isn't exactly being subtle, then again, she did try to tell the prince about the swap soon after it happened but magic prevented her from doing so.

尭明と辰宇も勘づき始めてるっぽい。
黄家出身の皇后も、玲琳のことはたぶん誰よりも分かってるから、見抜けるくらいには頭が切れそう

Gyoumei and Shin-u seem to be putting it together.
The Kou Consort also seems like she's smart enough to figure it out because she knows Reirin probably better than anybody.

黄家出身の皇后が、あの弓には病を祓う力があるとか言ってたな

The Kou empress did say something about the bow having the ability to purify illness.

エンドロール後のシーンを見逃すな！

Don't miss the after credits scene!

ついに気づく人が出た！　物語が次の段階に入ったのは間違いない！

Somebody finally figures it out! We're definitely in the next phase of the story!

この制作会社と話をつけに、日本行きの飛行機を予約するところだわ。よくもこんな仕打ちを

im about to book a flight to japan to exchange words with this studio. how dare they do this to us.

あれだけやってれば、入れ替わりに誰かしら気づくよな。死に戻りの呪いのせいで玲琳が直接認められないとしても、元からの侍女がその方向に話を進めてくれるといいな

someone was bound to notice they swapped after all that. i hope her og court lady keeps the story moving in that direction even if return by death stops reirin from directly confirming

冬雪と莉莉の二人とも入れ替わりを知ったら、慧月をどうするのか正直気になる。
玲琳を説得して、慧月に元に戻させようとするのか？
冬雪は、本当は大嫌いな相手に仕えることにどう折り合いをつけるのか？
莉莉は今、黄玲琳に仕える以外に何を望んでるのか？

I'm honestly curious what they're going to do about Keigetsu if Tousetsu/Leelee both know about the swap.
Are they going to talk Reirin into trying to make Keigetsu switch them back?
How is Tousetsu going to handle serving a woman she knows she actually detests?
What does Leelee want right now beyond serving Kou Reirin?

玲琳は冬雪を説得して、慧月の体でもっと長く暮らせるように何も見なかったことにさせるんじゃないかな。冬雪が戻るよう説得する話が1話くらいあって、結局現状維持に落ち着くと思う。1期で元に戻ったら、かなり短いシリーズになっちゃうだろうし。
もしくは最悪の場合、冬雪が全力で別人だと言いくるめようとするか

I would imagine Reirin would convince Tousetsu to pretend like she saw nothing so that she can live in Keigetsu's body longer, we have an episode or so of Tousetsu trying to convince her to go back, then they decide to leave it as status quo. Because it would be a pretty short series if they swapped back after 1 season I imagine.
Or worst case she tries with all her might to convince her otherwise.

「死に戻り」はほんとそれ😂

"return by death" so true 😂

最初に黒いモヤを見たとき、頭の中であの「うぅぅぅえぇぇぇ」って音が鳴ってたわ

I was internally hearing the uuuueeeeeuhhhhhhh when I saw the black fog the first time.

慧月がいつも軽蔑の目で睨んでたって言われて、玲琳が驚いてたのは大笑いしたけど、まあ確かに玲琳らしいよな（笑）
慧月がああなってるのは誰のせいで、狙いはどっちだったんだろう。玲琳の体の玲琳か、慧月が入った玲琳か。最初は慧月が禁術を使った反動かと思ったけど、今回で慧月の体調不良の原因が香炉だってはっきり示されたね。
朱雅媚はすごく気弱だけど優しい人だと思ってたから、慧月に玲琳のようにはなれないって言ったのにはかなりショックを受けた。どういうつもりであんなこと言ったんだ？！
それと、冬雪がついに慧月の体に玲琳が入ってることに気づいた。慧月が玲琳そっくりに振る舞えるわけじゃないから、遅かれ早かれそうなるはずで、そこまで驚きはないかな

[Reirin](https://imgchest.com/p/o24aeeppd7l) being [surprised](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/cc093d2f6d46.png) when she was told that [Keigetsu](https://imgchest.com/p/qe4g66dlqyj) was always glaring at her with contempt made me laugh hard, but well, it was definitely in her character, lol.

I wonder who is responsible for [Keigetsu's state](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/0dcb02f5bece.png) and who the target was, [Reirin's Reirin](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c627c089b429.png) or [Keigetsu's Reirin](https://imgchest.com/p/qe4g66dlqyj). Initially I thought that maybe it was the result of Keigetsu using forbidden magic, but [this episode](https://imgchest.com/p/m9yxaakvp4q) clearly indicated that [the censer was the source](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/36b58bb9d09c.png) of [Keigetsu's health issues](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/1d3a257d2ca8.png).

I considered Shu Gabi to be a very timid yet kind person, so [her remark to Keigetsu about her not being able to be like Reirin](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/1eabf979bcc2.png) quite shocked me. What could she have been thinking when she said that?!

Also, [Tousetsu finally found out that Reirin is in Keigetsu's body](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/5b99d97397aa.png). Well, it isn't a big surprise since it had to happen sooner or later, considering that Keigetsu can't act exactly like Reirin.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

* [Reirin](https://imgchest.com/p/o24aeeppd7l)
* [Keigetsu](https://imgchest.com/p/qe4g66dlqyj)
* [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/m9yxaakvp4q)
* [Leelee](https://imgchest.com/p/9p4ndde2byn)
* [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/5xy2vvplz7l)

あの香炉は金清佳が送ったものだって、第4話で分かってたよ。玲琳は慧月に警告しようとしたけど、慧月は無視した。前回金清佳について分かったことを考えると、悪意で送ったとは思えない。玲琳は昔から香炉で具合を悪くしたことがあったけど、自分がどれだけ病弱かを隠したり軽く見せたりしてきたから、誰にも言ってなかっただけだと思う

The censer was sent by Kin Seika, which we learned in episode 4. Reirin tried to warn Keigetsu about it, but she ignored it. Considering what we learned about Kin Seika last episode, I doubt it was sent with ill intentions. Reirin has probably experienced issues with censers in the past, but simply hasn't told others about it because she's been hiding/downplaying just how frail she actually is.

ああ、それ忘れてた！　確かに清佳は玲琳を傷つけるために送ったわけじゃないよな。他の妃候補の中でも玲琳と一番いい関係を築こうとしてるし。
でも、香を焚くのが玲琳の体に悪いことくらい玲琳の侍女たちは分かってたはずだし、それなりに対処してたはずだよね？
ちなみに、玲琳が弓を射ってるとき、慧月の悪夢の中のあの邪悪な目がだんだん消えていってたから、あの香は普通のものじゃなかった気がする。誰か別の人（例えば謎の雅容様とか）が危ないものにすり替えてても驚かない

Oh, I didn't remember that! Yeah, definitely Seika didn't send it in to harm Reirin, since she's trying to have the best relationship with her among the other Maidens.

But Reirin's ladies-in-waiting should have known that burning incense would be bad for Reirin's body, and they would have dealt with it accordingly, shouldn't they?

By the way, [those evil eyes were gradually disappearing in Keigetsu's nightmare](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6c5e01e04baa.png) when [Reirin was shooting a bow](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/5ca9548e4c20.png), so it feels like this incense wasn't a normal one, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone else (the mysterious Lady Gayou, for example) changed it for something dangerous.

「優しくて気弱な」朱雅媚がラスボスなんじゃないかと強く疑ってる。自分の思惑を疑われない他人を通して動くタイプに見える。玲琳を害そうとしてる黒幕になりそうな、そこそこ目立つキャラが他にまだ出てきてないってのも、疑いを強めてる理由。朱雅媚は、ひどく脆い立場の朱慧月を操って玲琳に何か悪いことをさせようとしてたように見える（玲琳は他の同輩みたいに慧月を見下したことなんて一度もないのに）。朱雅媚が黒幕じゃないなら、シーズンが終わる前に「真の悪女」候補を誰か出さないといけなくなる。
冬雪が入れ替わりに気づいた今、どうなるんだろう？　玲琳も慧月も元に戻りたくないとしたら、どうなる？　それとも、ああいう入れ替わりは永続的で元に戻せないものなのか？　まだまだ描くことが山ほどある……

I have a strong suspicion that "sweet and timid" Shu Gabi could be the big bad. It seems to me like she must work through others (who are unsuspicious of her intentions). My suspicion is heightened because we have not yet seen any other reasonably prominent character who could be the person behind trying to harm Reirin. It looks like Shu Gabi was trying to manipulate the highly vulnerable Shu Keigetsu into doing something bad to Reirin (despite the fact that Reirin never displayed the contempt for her that her other peers did). If Shu Gabi is NOT behjind things, the show will have to introduce some other vontender for "true villainess" pretty soon (before the season runs out).

I wonder what will happen now that Tousetsu has realized the body swap happened? If neither Reirin nor Keigetsu want to swap back -- what will happen? Or is such transference supposed to be permanent and irreversible? So much territory still needs to be covered...

絹秀は完全にドラゴ（ロッキー4）だったな。ほとんど「死ぬなら、それまでのこと」って言ってたようなもん。同じ一族の子に言うにはかなりキツい言葉だけど、後半の言葉で事情が分かるようになってた。
6時間ぶっ通しで弓を引くのは正気じゃない。玲琳は腕から血まで流してたのに、決意は全然揺るがなかった。元の体でどれだけ苦しんできたかがよく分かる。この痛みなんて、生と死の境をずっと綱渡りしてきたことに比べたら何でもないんだろうな。
「慧月」が実は玲琳だって最初に気づいたのは冬雪。玲琳に一番近い人が見抜くのは筋が通ってる。莉莉も同じ部屋にいたから、二人目になるだろうね。とはいえ、玲琳は呪いのせいで何も言えないから、次回どうなるかは全然読めない。
玲琳が牢に入れられてたとき、自分がしたひどい仕打ちを冬雪はどう思うんだろう。毒まで渡してたしな。相当自分を責めるんじゃないかな

Kenshuu really went full Drago. She pretty much said, "*If she dies, she dies*". A pretty harsh thing to say to someone from her own clan but there's the second half of her statement which added more context.

Drawing bows for six hours straight was quite mental. Reirin even bled her arms but her resolve remained unwavering despite it. It really put into perspective how much she had suffered in her original body. This pain was nothing compared to constantly tiptoeing the line between life and death.

Tousetsu's the first to find out that "Keigetsu"'s actually Reirin. It made perfect sense for the one who's closest to Reirin to deduce it. Since Leelee's also in the room, she'd be the second such person. Having said that, it's not like Reirin could say anything about it due to the curse so there's no telling how things would go next episode.

How'd Tousetsu feel about her abhorrent treatment back when Reirin was locked up in that cell? She even handed her that poison. I reckon she'd beat herself up pretty badly over that.

母親同然の人を見ると、玲琳がなんであんなにタフで肝が据わってるのかよく分かる。
玲琳はこの体の恩恵を楽しんでるかもしれないけど、大事な人や恩のある人のために使う気満々なんだよな。
これで身近な侍女2人が入れ替わりを知ったわけだ。ここからどうなる？

It really puts into perspective why Reirin is as hardcore and tough as she is when you look at the woman who is practically a mother to her.
Reirin may enjoy the perks of this body but she fully intends to wield it for the sake of those she cares for/feels indebted too.
Now her two close ladies-in-waiting know about the body-swap. Where do they go from here?

絹秀は完全に『ロッキー4』のドラゴだった。要するに「死ぬならそれまでだ」って言ってたよな。同じ一族の子に言うにはかなりキツいけど、後半の言葉で事情が少し見えてくる。
でもそうなると思っちゃうんだよ、実は裏で糸を引いてるのは絹秀なんじゃないかって。玲琳が長く生きられないと恐れて、慧月を操って入れ替わりをさせた。玲琳のために入れ替わりを起こしたかったわけで、その最後の仕上げが玲琳の体に入った慧月を死なせること。だからあんなに冷淡なんじゃないか。

Kenshuu really went full Drago. She pretty much said, "If she dies, she dies". A pretty harsh thing to say to someone from her own clan but there's the second half of her statement which added more context.
But now it's making we wonder - maybe she is the secret manipulator. And she manipulated Keigetsu to body swap because she feared Reirin wouldn't live. She wanted the swap to happen for Reirin's sake and the last piece of that is having Keigetsu-in-Reirin die, which is why she is so callous about it.

それは面白い展開だな。あれだけ冷たく見えたのにも説明がつく。

That would be an interesting turn of events. It would explain why she seemed so cold.

慧月（中身は玲琳）があの悪女を救おうと必死すぎるように見えるかもしれないけど、玲琳からすれば、慧月はずっと欲しかったものをくれた相手なんだよ。健康な体と、普通の穏やかな毎日。もちろん周りから見れば天罰みたいなものだけど、玲琳にとっては宮殿暮らしよりずっと大事なんだと思う。
とはいえ、本物の慧月もずっと疎まれてきたんだよな。莉莉と同じように。あの策士一族の代表、朱雅媚の顔を見れば分かる。あれは性悪だ。聖女みたいな顔してるけど、誰よりもタチが悪い。たぶん他の妃や他家の代表と同じく玲琳のことも好きじゃなくて、自分の一族の誰かを陛下とくっつけたかっただけだろう。
それと、冬雪が本当に気づいたのは驚いた。気づいてくれてよかったけど。寝込んでた玲琳のために慧月（中身は玲琳）があれだけのことをしたんだから、いずれバレるのは時間の問題だった。こんなに早いとは思わなかったけど。
毎話どんどん面白くなっていく。一つだけ望むなら、本物の玲琳のそばにいるメインはこれからも莉莉であってほしい。冬雪でも他の誰でもなく。体が戻ったとしても莉莉にはいてほしいし、玲琳も後宮の誰より莉莉に懐いてると思う。
莉莉が最高！

It might seem like Keigetsu is trying too hard to save that evil woman, but to her, she gave her what she had always desired- a healthy body and normal peaceful days. Of course, for others, it's like a divine punishment but she probably treasures it more than living in a castle.

Then again, the real Keigetsu has always been shunned, as well. Much like Leelee, and you can tell by just the face of that schemer clan representative - Shu Gabi- she's a bitch, she has that saintly expression but is more even than any other. And she probably doesn't like Reiren like other court ladies and representatives of other clans. She likely just wanted someone from her clan to get together with Heika.

Also, surprised to see Tousetsu actually figured it out, though it is good she did. After all Keigetsu (Reiren) did for the bedridden ill Reiren, it was bound to become apparent pretty soon. I'm more surprised by the fact it happened this early.

Every episode, this show just manages to get even more interesting. I'd wish for one thing, Leelee needs to still be the main girl on real Reiren's side, I don't want Tousetsu or any other. Even if Reiren gets her body back, Leelee needs to be there, and I'm pretty sure Reiren is also attached to Leelee more than any other person in the High Court.

Leelee is the best!

元に戻ってほしくない。本来の玲琳が健康で穏やかに暮らしてるのを見たい。

I don't want them to switch back. I want to see OG Reirin healthy and peaceful.

もし戻るなら、その前に慧月が成長する話が要ると思う
生まれつきの体の丈夫さのありがたみを知るとか、両親の不審死と向き合うとか。それを経てからじゃないと、戻っても納得できない

i feel like Keigestu needs to go through a character arc first if they ever switch back
like, she needs to learn a lesson about appreciating her natural constitution, deal with her parents suspicious death, etc. before i can be satisfied with them switching back

冬雪は何年も玲琳の侍女だったのに、玲琳が莉莉の方に懐いてるって言い切るのは変だろ。関係性が違うのは分かる。冬雪は年上でずっと玲琳の世話をしてきたし、莉莉とは歳が近いから友達っぽさがある。でも片側からしか描かれてないのに、そっちの方が懐いてるって言うのはちょっと大胆すぎる。

It's weird to claim that Reirin is more attached to Leelee when Tousetsu was her court lady for years. The dynamics I can agree are different because Tousetsu is older and has been taking care of Reirin, and there's a bit more of a friendship with Leelee because they're close in age, but saying she's more attached when we've gotten a one-sided view is a little bold.

莉莉は本物の玲琳にとって初めての本当の「友達」なんだよ。忠実な侍女になっただけじゃなくてな。

LeeLee is OG Reirin's very first real FRIEND -- in addition to becoming her loyal attendant.

玲琳の過去を見るとほんと気の毒になる。
倒れずにいられた最長記録が9日って想像してみろよ…。それに、いつも弱ってて疲れてるせいで顔色が悪いのを、化粧で隠さなきゃいけなかったってのも。
みんなにいつも体の心配をされるプレッシャー、本人にはさぞ息苦しかっただろうな。うう…
あのCパート。来週が待ちきれない！

Seeing some of Reirin's past makes me feel so bad for her.
Imagine 9 days being your record for not passing out from exhaustion... Also, the fact that she needed to put on make up to hide her paleness from feeling so weak and tired all the time.
That pressure from having everyone always be worried about your health must have felt so suffocating to her. Ugh...
That after-credit scene. I really can't wait for next week!

正直、心のどこかで玲琳でいることをやめたかったって分かって、全部腑に落ちた。
でも同時に、どこかで自分のことを本当にどうでもいいと思ってる感じもする。みんなの気持ちや体を自分より優先して、そのせいでどれだけ傷ついても気にしない。生きる意志は強いけど、他人のためにつぎ込む努力が桁外れすぎて、それで打ち消されてる。
自分を一番に考えてくれる人がそばに必要だよ。本人は絶対そうしないから。

Honestly finding out that on some level she wanted to just STOP being Reirin really puts everything into context.
But also it feels like on some level she just...doesn't really care about herself. She puts everyones' feelings/health before her own, she doesn't care how hurt she gets in the process, as much as she has a strong will to live it's tempered by the sheer amount of effort she puts in for the sake of others.
She needs people in her life who will put her first because she won't do it for herself.

衛宮士郎っぽい！
自己犠牲で自滅型のキャラ、大好きなんだよなあははは

Emiya Shirou vibes!

I love my selfless self-destructive characters hahahaha

皮肉なことに、玲琳への狂信的な忠誠心のせいで真実が見えなくなってたんだよな。

Ironically its her fanatical loyalty towards Reirin that blinded her towards the truth.

今の玲琳を偽物じゃないかと疑って見張るだけで、本物じゃないって気づけたのにな。

All she needed to do was put the current Reirin on fraud watch to realize she's not the true Reirin.

用意されてた毒の丸薬で気づくべきだった。

The provided poison pill should have been a giveaway.

冬雪「朱慧月まじ痛すぎ！！！負け認めろよ雑魚ｗ」
＊朱慧月、玲琳ムーブをかます＊
冬雪「なんでそんなギガチャドな女なの…ちょっと待って」

tousetsu: omg shu keigetsu ur so cringe!!! take the L, bozo

\*shu keigetsu reirin's\*

tousetsu: why are u being such a based gigachadette... wait a minute

アルファ世代版の中華後宮で笑い死ぬ

the gen alpha version of imperial china is sending me

公平に言えば、冬雪の立場からすると、玲琳は池に突き落とされて、そのあとほとんどずっと具合が悪かったわけだから、振る舞いが違っても病気とショックのせいだと思えるんだよな。正直、こんなに早く気づいたことに驚いた。次回は冬雪視点で気づいていく過程が見られるのかな。
それと、尭明が隠れ火属性の患者を治すために魔法の水を取りに行ってる…うん、絶対うまくいくわｗ

To be fair from her point of view Reirin was pushed into a lake and then spent most of her time extra ill, and any differences in behaviour could be viewed as a result of the sickness and trauma. Honestly I'm surprised she realised so quick, wonder if we'll get her point of view next episode to see her figuring it out.
Also the Prince is getting magic water to help heal the secretly fire-aligned patient... welp I'm sure that's gonna go well lol.

この作品の感想スレの人たちって、キャラの立場に立って考えてなくて、ほぼ視聴者目線でしか見てない気がするんだよな…

I do think a lot of people in the discussions for this show aren't really placing themselves in the characters' shoes, and are really mainly looking at things from the audience's perspective...

しかも本人は自分が玲琳だって口にすることすらできないのに、めちゃくちゃ早く見抜かれたしな。

Add in the fact she can't even say she is Reirin, people figured it out super quick.

>それと、尭明が隠れ火属性の患者を治すために魔法の水を取りに行ってる…うん、絶対うまくいくわｗ
気ってポケモンのタイプ相性みたいなルールなの？

> Also the Prince is getting magic water to help heal the secretly fire-aligned patient... welp I'm sure that's gonna go well lol.

does qi follow Pokemon type advantage rules?

[](#sakurathink)

まあそんな感じ。前に五行が出てきただろ、中国の五つの元素の循環。それぞれが次の元素を生み、別の元素を剋す。いろんな相互作用がある、よくできた属性の輪なんだよ。
特に水の気は火の気を剋す（抑える）から、慧月はひどい目に遭うだろうな。もしそういう流れになるなら、水を木に変えて、その木を火に変えるって形で治すのかもしれない。
あと火は土を生むから、土の玲琳を火の体に入れたのは結構ぴったりだと思う。あれだけ楽しそうにしてるし。一方で土の中にいる火の慧月は、玲琳の体に「呑まれていく」途中とも言える。これもぴったり。
悪女アニメで五行思想が出てくるとは思わなかったわｗ もっと出てくるようなら「五行」で画像検索すれば、相互作用が全部書かれた循環図が出てくるよ。

Sorta, they showed the Wuxing earlier in the show, which is the Chinese five elements cycle. Each element generates the next, but also destroys another one. It forms a pretty neat elemental wheel of different interactions.

Notably water qi destroys/controls fire qi, so she's gonna have a bad time. If it does go that route they might also cure it by trying to convert the water into wood which then converts into fire.

Also fire generates earth, which I suppose is pretty fitting putting earth Reirin in a fire body, what with her having such a good time. Meanwhile Keigetsu being fire inside earth could be said to be in the process of being 'consumed' by Reirin's body. Also fitting.

Wasn't expecting wuxing metaphysics in the villainess anime lol. If it does come up more you can just google image search wuxing and the cycle with all the labelled interactions should show up.

慧月を引き取ったあの女性が黒幕じゃないかと疑ってる。玲琳への憎しみと妬みを植え付けたのはあの人だし

I suspect the lady who adopted keigetsu is the mastermind since she sowed the hatred and envy of reirin

だよな、しおらしいフリして慧月を虐げてる時点で怪しかった。きっと慧月の術の才能を知ってて、両親を脅して自害に追い込んだってオチだと思う。
それから入れ替わりが起きるよう仕向けて玲琳を自分の家に取り込み、玲琳の体の慧月にあの香炉を「お詫びの品」として贈った。立場が立場だから怪しまれずに通ったんだろう。
あの香炉、たぶん破魔の弓みたいな秘宝で、持てるのはかなり身分の高い人だけなんじゃないか。

Yeah, she already had vibes from being fake demure but abusing Keigetsu. I bet it'll turn out she knew about Keigetsu's magical abilities and extorted her parents into killing themselves.
Then she set up the situation for the body swap to get Reirin in her house and then gave Keigetsu (in Reirin's body) that incense burner as an "apology gift" and it got through because of who she is.
I mean that burner is likely secretly a sacred treasure like the bow and you'd probably need to be high profile to have one of those.

そう、最初の数話からずっと言ってる。あの人が両親を殺して慧月を操ったに決まってる。先週と今週の回でさらにはっきりしてきた。

Yep been saying it since the first couple eps, she totally killed the parents and manipulated Keigetsu. Last week's and this week's episode make it even clearer.

ピーター・ジャクソン版『ロード・オブ・ザ・リング』三部作に、ブルイネンの浅瀬でアルウェンがフロドを助けたあと、腕の中で死にかけているフロドのために祈る場面がある。自分に与えられた恵みを彼に移して、どうか彼を救って、と。あの場面は毎回号泣する。要するに、フロドの代わりに自分の命を持っていけと世界に願ってるんだよな。必要ならフロドの身代わりに死んでもいいと。無私の慈しみだよ。
今回の話も自分にはそれとよく似た空気があった。慧月の体の玲琳が、玲琳の体の慧月を救うために弓の稽古に打ち込む。元の体を取り戻すためでも、戻れる未来のためでも、入れ替わりなんてやらかした性悪女に説教してやれる未来のためでもない。自分自身が苦しんできたから、誰にも同じ思いをさせたくない。それが慧月であっても。手が血まみれになるまで、ヘトヘトになるまで他人のために頑張るのは、それが彼女という人間だから。牢のネズミや毒を盛られた獅子に慈しみを見せたように、本来なら最大の敵であるはずの相手にも慈しみを向ける。誰にも悪意を持たず、すべての人に慈愛を。中身の玲琳は自分なりの無私の慈しみを実践してるんだ。これにも泣かされた。
よくやった、この作品。本当によくやった。

In Jackson’s LOTR film trilogy, there’s a scene where Frodo is dying in Arwen’s arms after she rescues him at the Ford of Bruinen, and Arwen prays aloud: “***What grace has given me, let it pass to him. Let him be spared. Save him.***” I ugly-cry during that scene, as she is essentially asking the Universe to take her life instead of Frodo’s - she is willing to die in his stead if that’s what it takes. It is selfless compassion.

This episode has a very similar vibe for me, as Keigetsin **commits** to archery practice to save Reiru. She’s not doing this to save her old body, or for a future where she can swap back, or a future where she can read Reiru her personal Riot Act for being a nasty body-swapping bitch. She’s doing it because **she personally has** **suffered**, and she doesn’t want anyone to suffer as she has - including Reiru. She works her hand bloody and exhausts herself for someone else’s sake because that’s who/how she is: just as she demonstrated her compassion for the prison rats and the poisoned lion, she demonstrates it for the woman who should be her biggest enemy. With malice toward none, with charity for all, the inner Reirin practices her own selfless compassion. I teared up for her and for this as well.

Well done, show. Well done.

入れ替わり中のキャラを呼ぶときは、体より魂の名前を先にする方が好きだな（レイゲツ、ケイリンみたいに）。あるいは体じゃなく中身の名前で呼ぶか。まあそれはそれとして…
すごく的確な分析だと思う。だから玲琳は最高なんだよ。

I personally prefer the soul first before the body when indicating them as body-swapped (Reigetsu, Keirin) or just calling them as they are, not their bodies, but...

Pretty spot on analysis. This is why Reirin is awesome.

雅媚は優しい妃だと思ってたのに、なんで回想で慧月にあんなこと言ったんだ。

I thought Consort Shu Gabi was the nice consort, why would she even say that to Lady Keigatsu in the flashback.

朱家は何かが腐ってる。あの家じゃ公然とひどい虐待が行われてるのに、雅媚は止めようともしない。
あの優しさはただの見せかけかもな。

Something is rotten in the Shu clan, there is a lot of abuse going on openly in that household yet Shu Gabi does nothing to halt it.
The niceness may just be a facade.

うん、慧月の見捨てられ不安や自信の無さにつけ込んで近づいて、人気のあるライバルを狙うように仕向けてた可能性はある。

Yeah it's possible she was using Keigetsu's abandonment issues and insecurity to get close to her and manipulate her into going after a popular rival.

母親には愛されず、たぶん父親にも愛されてなかったんじゃないか。引き取ってくれた女性ですら、慧月そのものを本当に必要としてたわけじゃない。

Her mother didn't love her, I wouldn't be surprised if her father didn't either, and not even the woman who took her in truly wanted Keigetsu as herself.

入れ替わりなんて誰も真っ先には思いつかないだろ。それに玲琳が突き落とされた件があったから、みんなの見方がなおさら偏った。むしろよく気づいたなって驚いてる。

I can't imagine body swapping being on the top of everyone's mind. And the incident where Reirin was pushed over the edge was more than enough to bias everyone's thinking even more. If anything, I'm surprised she did figure it out.

>むしろよく気づいたなって驚いてる。
本物の玲琳が、睨んでたのは好意からだって言っちゃったから、次はぶつかってきたのも近づこうとして緊張してたせいだって言い出しそう。

> If anything, I'm surprised she did figure it out.

Now that OG Reirin said the glare was due to fondness, she might next say bumping into Reiren was nervousness trying to approach her.

慧月は玲琳のフリが下手すぎて、しまいには本物の玲琳なら絶対しない形で死にかけてるんだから、それで点と点がつながったんだろうな…特に、慧月を「尋問」したときのことを覚えてたなら。

Keigetsu's done such a bad job of being Reirin up to basically dying in a way that the original Reirin would not have that it really helped put the pieces together...especially if she remembered how her "interrogation" of Keigetsu went.

自分大好き。
抑えきれないものもある。

Self-love.
Some things aren't suppressed.

>自分大好き。
オバマがオバマにメダルを授与するミーム

> Self-love.

Obama giving Obama a medal meme

玲琳「実は私、自分の大ファンでして…じゃなくて慧月様の…じゃなくて、玲琳様の！」

Reirin: "I'm actually a big fan of mysel---I mean Lady Keiget---I mean, Reirin!"