【海外の反応】氷の城壁 第2期7話（第21話）、「私に敵などいない」

桃香ラブ全開！

Total Momoka Love!

これぞ純粋無垢な子

The best innocent pure girl.

桃香はキスしてって頼めばいいのに。

Momoka could ask him to kiss her.

死んだ

He died.

湊が殺されるなんて信じられない。

>>4

I can't believe they killed Minato.

姉ちゃん美人すぎ

Hot sis.

姉版の小雪…

>>6

Koyunsis...

予約済み

>>6

Claimed

この二人、好き

Love these two

今季覇権

AOTS

このコマ好き

Love this one.

ちょっと退屈な回。でも必要な回

a bit boring eps, but necessary eps

>アバンで「Sakasama」

>[spoiler]Sakasama[/spoiler] in the cold open

不穏なサブタイだな

Ominous title card

はい、キスしろ

Now kiss

おい、これってまるで二人が……アレみたいじゃん

>>15

woah it's like they are [spoiler]you know what[/spoiler]

ブラボー！

>>15

BRAVO

今回は見るのやめとこうかな

I think I'll skip this ep

「誤解」ってのは……いったい何なんだよ！？！？
（ボンバボン トゥワン ポン）

>>18

WHAT'S THE DEAL... WITH MISUNDERSTANDINGS?!!?!?

[spoiler]bomp ba bomp twang pop[/spoiler]

小雪と付き合わないとか、
シャドウ・レルム送りと同じだろ

Not dating Koyun is like being sent to the Shadow Realm

ミニ（車）かわいい

Cute Mini

「勝った」とか言いながら、顔じゅうに負け惜しみが出てる。桃香がもっと「勝つ」とこ、早く見たい。最高の娯楽だ。

"I won" she says, cope and seethe written all over her face. I cannot wait to see Momoka "win" some more, it's great entertainment.

今回は別れないの？

[spoiler]No breakup in this episode?[/spoiler]

>今回、回想以外で美姫の出番ゼロ
>いつもは1話で4〜5話ぶん消化してた
>桃香編になってから1話2話ぶんに減速
>残り6話でまた4〜5話ぶんに戻すしかない
>今期は美姫より桃香のほうが出番が多くなる
嫌だわ

>zero non-flashback Miki scenes this episode
>episodes usually adapted 4-5 chapters
>slowed down to 2 chapters per ep for the Momoka arc
>will have to pick up back to 4-5 for the remaining 6
>Momoka will end up having more screentime than Miki this season
I hate it

冷たっ！まさに氷の城壁

Stone f*****g cold
Icy rampart even.

桃香は何も悪くない

Momoka did nothing wrong

>湊、自分の姉ちゃんを小さくしたような子が好き

>Minato likes the girl who looks like a tiny version of his big sister

理由もなく自爆してばっかりのキャラだらけの中で、まともなのは彼女だけな気がする。

I feel like she's the only sane person in this show full of characters shooting themselves in the foot for no apparent reason.

心が別の奴に向いてる相手を追っかけるのが、まともとは思えないけどな。

>>28

Chasing someone whose heart lies with a different person doesn't sound sane to me.

なあ、余ったら冷蔵庫に入れとけ。
これまでドラマにしなくていいんだよ。

Brother, just put the leftovers in the fridge.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ADDED TO THE DRAMA.

桃香と付き合うのって、1日に2回心臓発作を起こすようなもんだな

>>30

Dating Momoka is like having two heart attack per day

こんなこと聞かれたら、湊はもっと動揺するべきじゃね？

Shouldn't Minato have a bigger reaction to being asked this

よく考えると桃香ってかなり笑える。両想いだと分かってて追いかけて、自分に都合よく状況を操って付き合って、そしたら不安まみれになって、今はガチでみじめ。まさに神映画。

Momoka is pretty hilarious when you deep it. She knew they both liked each other, still pursued him, manipulated the situation to her benefit, got into the relationship, became completely insecure, and is now genuinely miserable. Absolute cinema.

略奪も平気って公言する子にお似合いの、大事故な負けヒロインだよ。
だいたい湊にまで「したたか」って褒められてるけど、それって彼氏が褒めるところじゃないって本人も思ってるしな（笑）

A trainwreck losing Heroine fitting for someone who openly admits she's willing to be a homewrecker.

Like, even Minato compliments on her being "backhanded" which is not something she thinks a boyfriend should be complimenting her on lol.

付き合ったとたん彼氏が病むとか最悪。何を期待してたんだよ草

Not a particularly good look when your new bf becomes depressed as soon as you start dating him, like what did she expect lmfao

交渉を仕掛けて条件を全部のませたのに、なぜか損して終わる。桃香にしかできない

Only Momoka could initiate negotiations, set the terms to be entirely in her favor and accepted without conditions, and still somehow come out of it with the short end of the stick

今回、桃香がメンタルをボコボコにされてるのを見るのは、正直ちょっとスカッとした。デジャヴの瞬間なんて、アニメの悪役みたいに画面を指さしてわざと高笑いしてた。
今回の湊の大きな気づきを見ると、来週は大当たりの回であってほしい。

Watching Momoka getting mentally destroyed this episode is lowkey satisfying, I was actually fake laughing and pointing to the screen like a cartoon villain when she had that deja vu feeling.

From Minato's big realisation this episode, I'm hoping next week gonna be a blockbuster.

小雪と湊が文字どおり同じ反応をして同じことを言った時点で、桃香は望みが無いって気づくべきだった。
たぶん湊は、二人のためだって理屈をつけて桃香と別れると思う。自分は誰とも付き合えないって思ってるしな。で、それを見た小雪が、湊がまだみじめなままだと知って、やっと自分から動く。結局、湊の心を開けるのは小雪だけなんだよ。
だって小雪には、自分から動くちゃんとした理由が**必要**なんだ。今回のゴタゴタでいちばんの問題はそこだったんだから。

At the point where Koyun and Minato are literally reacting to and saying the same thing is the point where Momoka should've realized there was no hope for her.

I think Minato is going to rationalize breaking up with Momoka as being for both their sakes and because he thinks he can't be with anyone. Which is what's going to spur Koyun to actually act because she'll see how miserable he still is and ultimately she's the only one who can open his heart up.

Because we **need** to give her a legitimate reason to act with initiative which was her main problem in this mess.

湊がついに、あの鍵を開けにかかってる。

Minato's finally unlocking that lock

お互い無視するって話で、湊が小雪とまったく同じことを言ったのは最高だった。
この二人は結ばれる運命だろ！

Loved seeing Minato say the exact same stuff that Koyun said about ignoring each other

They're meant to be together!!

普段なら恋に全力な子を応援するんだけど、桃香は空気を読むべきだよ。湊と小雪の、どう見ても運命の相手って雰囲気をさ。
小雪が必死に前を向こうとしてても、この状況で100%幸せな人なんて誰もいないんだから。

Like ordinarily I'd be rooting for a girl putting her all into love but Momoka needs to read the room and obvious soulmate vibes between Minato and Koyun.

Especially because nobody is 100% happy with this situation even if Koyun is doing her level best to move on.

で、残りあと5話か。
二人が一緒になるのって、最終話だけ？

So... Five more eps. Will we see them together only in the last ep? =/

6話な

Six*

桃香、いま不安でたまらないのは、たぶん人を操って付き合ったからだよ。
それと湊、自分の何が悪いのか悩んでるよな。彼氏のふりをしてるだけで、本当の彼氏になってないんだよ。

Momoka, you feel so insecure right now maybe because you manipulated your way into a relationship.

And Minato, you're wondering what you're doing wrong. You're larping as a boyfriend and not actually being one.

この関係はマジで大事故。
桃香は湊の心を手に入れてないから絶対に満たされないし、湊は心がそこに無いのに、できることを全部やるなんて気持ち的にも精神的にも無理なんだよ。

The relationship is truly a trainwreck.

Momoka can never be satisfied because she doesn't have Minato's heart and Minato emotionally/mentally can't handle doing everything he can when his heart isn't in it.

>彼氏のふりをしてるだけで、本当の彼氏になってないんだよ。
前から言ってるけど、湊って要はレンタル彼氏なんだよな。役を演じてるだけで、本物じゃない。

>You're larping as a boyfriend and not actually being one.

I said it before, he's basically a Rent-a-Boyfriend. lol Just putting on a performance for the role but it isn't real.

桃香「なんで戦わないの！？湊と一緒にいたくないの？」
小雪「私に敵などいない」

Momoka: Why won't you fight me?! Don't you want to be with Minato?

Koyun: I have no enemies.

「真の“情緒が育ったキャラ”になれ、小雪」

"Become a true emotionally developed character, Koyuki"

あ、それ、これ見る前に自分もコメントで書いてた。草

Oh I also said that in a comment before I saw this one. lol

桃香ちゃんじゃ、本気モードの小雪師匠には勝ち目ゼロ。かわいそうに。

Momoka-chan stands 0 chance against the full-power master Koyun. Poor girl.

湊を湊自身から救えるのも、たぶん小雪だけだろうな。

Probably the only one who can actually save Minato from himself too.

桃香は、自分の行動と小雪への憎しみを正当化するために、小雪からケンカを売ってほしかった。でも小雪は、ほぼ「私に敵などいない」状態だった。

Momoka wanted the smoke from Koyuki to justify her actions and hatred against her, but Koyuki basically was like ***"I have no enemies."***

桃香はキャットファイトがしたかったのに、返ってきたのは、マジで大人で筋の通った小雪の対応だったっていう。

Momoka wanted a catfight, what she got was Koyuki actually acting like a mature, reasonable, adult lol.

今回は[ポンタ](https://i.imgur.com/t3I6QrF.jpeg)のファンサが多すぎる。もう[ぬいぐるみまで買える](https://animota.net/products/animota-e-fig20355)らしい？　ただ、本物ほどモフモフじゃないけど。

So much [Ponta](https://i.imgur.com/t3I6QrF.jpeg) fanservice this episode. Apparently you can [buy a plushie of him](https://animota.net/products/animota-e-fig20355) already? But it's not quite as floofy.

感情のドロドロがどれだけあっても、ポンタはいつものポンタ。

Even with all the emotional drama, Ponta is still Ponta.

マジで強烈な回だった。小雪と桃香の言い合いのシーン、ずっと手に汗握ってた。小雪が「お互いのことほとんど知らない」って言うまでな。ちょっと一時停止した。あそこ大好き。

Goddamn that's a very strong episode. The scene with Koyun-Momoka back and forth got me on the edge of the seat until Koyun said they both barely know each other well. I had to pause a bit. Love that part.

「幸せになりたいなら、自分のために動かなきゃ」
って、みじめで不安だらけで、本物の人間関係がひとつも無い子が言ってる。

"You have to look out for your own self interest to be happy."

Says the miserable, insecure girl with no genuine relationships

日本のストレスって、ジャパニーズ・フィーバーと同じくらいヤバいな。

Japanese stress is almost as much of a problem as the Japanese fever.

めちゃくちゃ強い回！桃香と向き合って気持ちを全部さらけ出した小雪くらい、自分も上手く話せたらいいのに。

Such a strong episode! I wish I were as well-spoken as Koyun when she confronted Momoka and laid her feelings bare.

小雪の返しは見てて最高だった。誘導みたいな質問をされても、一度も声を荒らげずに思ったことを言い切った。完全にゾーンに入ってて、話の主導権をずっと握ってる。
シーズンの頭から今までの小雪の成長は、見ててほんとに嬉しい。

Koyun's responses were great to see. Despite the bait questions she never raised her voice and spoke what was her mind. She's locked in and has control over the entire talk.

Koyun's growth from the beginning of the season to now has been a joy to watch.

湊が桃香の要求に、小雪とまったく同じ返しをした時の桃香のデジャヴ。あれが今回のハイライト。
小雪に詰め寄ったら全部自分に跳ね返ってきて、前より不満を抱えて帰るのは見ててスカッとした。
それに湊がやっと自分を分かってきて、振る舞いを変えなきゃって気づいたのもいい。うちの子、成長したな。あとはあの心を開くだけだ。

Momoka's deja vu moment when Minato said the exact same thing Koyun did in reply to her demand was the highlight of this episode. 

Momoka's attempt at confrontation with Koyun blowing up in her face and leaving her more dissatisfied than before was so satisfying to see.

And Minato finally coming to understand himself better and realising he needs to change how he acts. Growth for my boy. Now he just needs to open that heart of his.

次回、桃香が自滅するのが楽しみすぎる

Cant wait for momoka to self destruct in the next episode

次回、別れの匂いがプンプンする

I can smell a break up in the next episode

桃香って、ほんとに子どもなんだな。
小雪と湊は見せ方が全然違うのに、中身はそっくり。
で、湊は気づき始めてる。
人が心を開くのを手伝ってたのは、
誰か自分に手を差し伸べてくれっていう、でっかい助けの叫びだったんだって。

Momoka really is just a child.

Koyuki and Minato are so similar despite how differently they present themselves

And Minato is realizing that his helping others open up was just a giant cry for help for someone to reach out to him.

小雪は桃香にハッキリ突きつけて、桃香がなんでこんなに嫌われるのか、その核心を突いた。行動力はあるよ、確かに。でもそれって、とんでもなく自己中で、持ってるもので満足できないってことなんだよな。小雪と湊が付き合ってたとしても、それでも全力で割り込むって本人が認めてるし。（言うまでもないと思いたいけど）それはかなりゲスいし、間違ってる。小雪は昔は受け身すぎて、いいチャンスを逃してきた。でも今の桃香は、積極的すぎるとどうなるかを見せてくれてる。自分のことと、自分が欲しいものしか頭にないとこうなるんだよ。

Koyuki laid it out flat for Momoka and got to the heart of why so many people can't stand her. She's a go-getter, sure, but that just means she's incredibly self-centered and never satisfied with what she has. She admits that even if Koyuki and Minato were a couple, she'd *still* do everything in her power to get between them, which (and I hope I don't really need to say it) is incredibly sleazy and wrong. Koyuki was too passive in the past and that's made her miss out on great opportunities, but now Momoka is showing us what happens when you're *too active,* when all you care about is yourself and getting what *you* want.

略奪する小雪に全賭けだって冗談言ってたけど、桃香が「やる」ってはっきり認めたのを見て、それがどんだけひどくて自己中で最悪か思い知った。草
結局いちばんの違いは、桃香は湊を自分のものにしたくて追いかけたけど、小雪は湊のそばにいてあげたくて追いかけるってとこだと思う。それが本当の愛なんだよ。

I remember joking about being all in on Koyun playing homewrecker but this really put into perspective that that's kind of bad, selfish, and terrible by having Momoka straight up admit she'd do it lol.

I think ultimately the main difference is Momoka went after Minato because she wanted him for herself but Koyun is ultimately going to go after Minato because she wants to be there for Minato. That's what true love is.

桃香は努力したよ。その努力ってのが、冷たくて、人を操って、計算高くて、結局ひどい人間でいることなんだけど。準備も計画もいらない。それが桃香そのもので、息をするみたいに自然にやってる。こういう生き方がどれだけ孤独か、やっと気づいただけ。

Momoka put in the work and that work is her being cruel, manipulative, calculating and ultimately an awful person. It's not something she needs to prep or plan for, it's who she is, and is as natural as breathing for her. She has only finally realized just how lonely this life is.

小雪は、湊を「取られた」ことで桃香に怒ってすらいない。むしろ桃香の行動力を素直に認めてる。小雪自身にずっと足りなかったものだからこそだ。だからこのやり取りは、すごく新鮮に感じる。

Koyun is not even angry at Momoka for “taking Minato away.” In fact, she openly admires Momoka’s strong initiative, precisely because that is something Koyun herself has always lacked. That makes this whole exchange feel remarkably fresh.

面白い見方だな。恋愛アニメって、恋はある程度わがままで独占的なものだし、ちゃんと実らせるには努力がいるって描くことが多いと思う（受け身なのに勝つヒロインは別。まあ……うん）。で、桃香はその考え方のダークサイドを体現してるんだよ。
小雪は桃香から見れば負けヒロインだけど、自分の気持ちに折り合いをつけて、そこから成長して、「勝ちヒロイン」よりずっと大人で冷静な見方をしてる。しかも桃香を全然恨んでない。とはいえ、ある意味では、行動しなかったから欲しかったものを諦めたってだけの話でもある。
でも今の小雪なら、湊と桃香がダメになったときに、ちゃんと動ける気持ちになってるんだと思う。自分のためじゃなくても、湊のために。

It's an interesting perspective because I feel like in a lot of romance anime we're shown that love can, to a point, be inherently selfish and possessive to an extent and that you need to put in effort to actually make it work and have your love realized (unless you're a passive Heroine who wins because...yeah) but Momoka basically represents the dark side of that POV.

Koyun is, from her perspective, a Losing Heroine who has made her peace with her feelings, has grown from it, and has a more mature and level-headed perspective compared to the "Winning Heroine" who she doesn't begrudge or resent at all. But to an extent it's still just a matter of Koyun giving up on something she wants or wanted because she never acted on it.

But I guess now she's in a better mindset to actually make a move when Minato and Momoka falls apart. If not for her sake, but for Minato's.

その話、ここ数年でますます目立つようになったと思う。乙女ゲー系の異世界ものがすごく増えたけど、どれも「愛される資格がない」はずの悪役令嬢に、甘やかすような愛が向かうって発想でできてる。ヒロインはほとんど何もしなくていい。揉め事なんて大抵、漫画で3話かアニメで1話も続かないし。
負けヒロインって考え方も同じでさ。負けた時から中身は何も変わってないのに、どこか別のところで恋を見つける女の子に、ちょっと味付けしてるだけ（思い当たるキャラがいるかもね）。
説得力のある恋愛には、キャラが変わって、よくなろうと頑張る姿が必要なんだよ。『氷の城壁』がそれを分かってて、ちゃんとやってるって気づくと、よくあるやつにはなかなか戻れない。

I think what you coined got more prominent lately in recent years -- so many more otome game isekais that are built on the ideas of spoilt love getting to the villainess that "should not" receive it. The heroine barely needed to do much to make it work, for the conflicts usually do not last more than 3 manga chapters or 1 anime episode.

And the idea of losing heroine itself plays into it either -- it's just added flavour to a girl who will find love somewhere else, despite of the fact that they never changed who they are from when they lost. (You may have some characters in mind about this)

Convincing romances need characters changing and working for the better, and once you realize how Ramparts of Ice knows and does it it's very hard to go back to the usual stuff.

役に立たなくなったアキネを桃香が切り捨てたことを、小雪がズバッと指摘してくれて本当に嬉しかった👏👏

I was also so happy that koyun called her out because she pushed akine aside after she stopped being useful 👏👏

悲しいのは、桃香はアキネと友達やめてから、たぶん一度もアキネのことを考えてないってこと。小雪が誰のことを言ってたのかすら、気づいてないと思う。

The sad thing is Momoka probably has not given Akine a thought since she dropped her as a friend and I don't think she even realized who Koyun was alluding too.

前にも言ったけど、桃香が湊と付き合ったこと自体は別に嫌いじゃないんだよ。嫌なのは、「勝った」のにまだ小雪を放っておかないところ。しかも今もやってる！　小雪に詰め寄って湊から離れてって頼んで、[欲しいものはちゃんと手に入れた](https://i.imgur.com/eHgSPax.jpeg)のに、[空っぽの気分](https://i.imgur.com/a5FR02R.jpeg)で帰っていく。これがもう最高に笑える。全部自業自得だけどな。

I've mentioned this before, but I've never really hated Momoka for going out with Minato; what I hate is how, even though she "won", she still won't leave Koyun alone. And she's still doing it! The fact that she confronted Koyun and asked her to stay away from Minato, [actually got what she wants](https://i.imgur.com/eHgSPax.jpeg), and still walked away [feeling completely hollow](https://i.imgur.com/a5FR02R.jpeg) is absolutely hilarious, and it's all her fault.

桃香にとって小雪は、宿命のライバルで、天敵で、真逆の存在（いい意味じゃないほう）で、乗り越えなきゃいけない相手だった。
でも小雪にとっての桃香は……ただの、自分が好きだった人とたまたま付き合ってる女の子。もう気持ちに整理はついてて、いろいろあったのに、ちょっと尊敬までしてる。
小雪と湊が、二人とも一緒にいたい気持ちをここまで諦めちゃってるのが、ただただ悲しい。

To Momoka Koyun was her archrival, her nemesis, her polar opposite (and not in the fun way) who she needed to overcome.

But to Koyun Momoka is just...another girl who happens to be dating the guy Koyun liked and who she's made peace with and actually somewhat respects in-spite of everything.

It's just sad that Koyun and Minato both have given up on wanting to be with each other so much.

お互いから離れてって桃香に頼まれて、小雪も湊もまったく同じ返しをしてるの草。二人ともあっさり要求を飲んだのに、桃香は不安すぎてまだ満たされない。いったい何があれば幸せになれるんだよ。

Not Koyuki & Minato giving the exact same response when Momoka asked them to stay away from the other lmao. They both readily gave in to her demand, and yet she's so insecure she still felt unhappy. What would it take for you to be happy?

正直、小雪と湊がくっつくのは見たい。でもそれと同じくらい、桃香には自分のために成長して、もっといい人間になってほしいって本気で思ってる。
で、それが湊とじゃ無理なのは明らかなんだよな。

Honestly as much as I want to see KoyunxMinato together there's a part of me that genuinely wants to see Momoka grow and become a better person for her own sake.

And she obviously can't do that with Minato.

お互いから距離を置く方法を考える時、小雪と湊が同じ考え方をたどってたっぽいのはけっこう笑えた。二人のほうがお似合いだって、これ以上なく分かりやすく示してる。桃香は目に見えてイラついてたな。

I did find it rather amusing that Koyuki and Minato seemingly followed the same thought pattern when trying to figure out how to stay away from the other. Thereby perfectly illustrating that they make for the better match. Momoka was visibly frustrated.

はい、ご一緒に。相性！どんな恋愛にも必須！

Say it with me: Compatibility! It's a must for any relationship!

湊の兄ちゃんと姉ちゃんが、湊を大事にしてるのがはっきり分かってほっこりする。

It's endearing just how much Minato's big siblings clearly love him.

>湊の兄ちゃんと姉ちゃんが、湊を大事にしてるのがはっきり分かってほっこりする。
二人は犬猿の仲かもしれない（少なくとも昔はそうだった）けど、末っ子のことはちゃんと大事にしてる。たぶん二人の意見が合う数少ないことの一つだな。

>It's endearing just how much Minato's big siblings clearly love him.

They may get along like cats and dogs (or at least used to) but they do cherish their younger sibling. Probably one of the only things they've ever agreed on.

二人とも湊を大事にしてるけど、本当に湊を分かってるのは海斗だけ（湊がストレスを抱えてると知った時の、二人の反応を見れば分かる）。

They both cherish him, but only Kaito actually understands him (see their reaction to Minato being stressed)

お、海斗が帰ってきた！　しかもちゃんと大人になってて、姉ちゃんと怒鳴り合いにならないし、湊がどれだけキツかったかも認めてる！　気持ちを溜め込む湊、兄の唯一の味方でいるのがどれだけしんどかったか……今の海斗は、ただ湊に幸せになってほしいんだよな。そのくせ家のハンコはくすねてるあたり、根っこは反抗児のまま。

Oh hey, Kaito is back! And he's actually grown and matured enough to not get in a shouting match with his sister and acknowledge how hard Minato's had it! How Minato bottles up his feelings, how hard it was for him to be his brothers' only defender...now Kaito just wants Minato to be happy. All the while he's stealing the family seal, so he's still a rebel at heart.

湊も考えすぎなんだよな。きょうだいが前ほどケンカしてないのもいい。あと兄ちゃん、江口拓也っぽさがすごい。でも兄ちゃんのおかげで、湊は自分のやってることが自分だけじゃなく周り、特に桃香まで傷つけてるって気づき始めてる。桃香が「私からは絶対に別れない、終わらせるなら湊のほう」って言った時点で、こうなる予感はあった。

Minato’s also overthinking too much. Nice to see his siblings not fight as hard as before too. And his brother is so Eguchi Takuya-coded too. But thanks to him, Minato’s starting to see what he’s been doing is not only hurting himself but others too, especially Momoka. I feel like I see it coming when she said she’d never break up with him, that it’d Minato who’d end it.

兄ちゃんと姉ちゃん、この前にもう話してたのかな。回想で別れて以来、湊が兄に会うのはたぶんこれが初めてなのに、意外なくらい穏やかだった。

I wonder if the brother and sister had talked before this because they seemed surprisingly civil even though I think this is the first time Minato's seen his brother since the flashback goodbye.

湊の兄ちゃん、すごく面白いこと言ってた。
「大人になったら空気が読めなきゃいけない」って。
それを、陽キャで普通ならできて当然って思われてる湊に言ったんだ。
でも実は、そうとも限らない。
陽キャは人に近づくのは楽かもしれないけど、
だからって本当に空気が読めるとは限らない。
それは、1期でずかずか踏み込みすぎだって、小雪にキレられてたので分かる。

Minato's brother said something very interesting: When you are an adult, you need to be able to read the room. He said this to Minato, who as an extrovert would normally be expected to be able to do that. But it turns out that this is not necessarily true. Extroverts might have it easier to approach others, but it doesn't mean that they really can read the room. Which we saw in season 1 when Koyun chewed him out for being invasive.

海斗はしばらく家を離れてたのに、今でも湊のことをよく分かってるのが面白い。湊って根っこはずっと、ひとりになるのが怖い小さな子どものままなんだろうな。桃香と別れなきゃって気づいた今、それが変わる一歩になってほしい。

Kaito’s been gone for a minute but it’s interesting how well he still knows Minato. I guess deep down inside, he’s always been just a scared little kid afraid of being alone. I hope now that he realizes he has to break things off with Momoka, that’s a step in changing things.

悲しいのは、桃香がもっと人に誠実で、人を「利用」しなくて、思い込みでほかの女子を決めつけなければ……小雪と本当の友達になれたかもしれないってこと。
ある意味、二人ともつらい経験をしてきた子なんだよな。でもそこから成長したのは小雪だけで、桃香はそのせいでもっと自己中になった。

I think the sad thing is if Momoka was able to be more sincere with other people, didn't "use" them, didn't judge other girls from her preconceived notions about them...maybe she and Koyun could have been real friends.

Because in a way they're both girls who responded to bad experiences, but only Koyun actually grew from them while Momoka became more selfish because of it.

小雪は自分がどう扱われたかより、桃香がアキネをどう扱ったかのほうに怒ってた。湊の人のよさがちょっとうつってるな。まあ、未来の義理の姉妹を気にかけてるだけかもしれないけど。

Koyuki was also more annoyed over how Momoka treated Akine than how she was treated, Minato's altruism is rubbing a little on her. Although, she could just be looking out for her future sister in law.

湊の問題は、**八方美人・衝突を避ける・自分を押し殺す**の合わせ技なんだよ。この3つの中だと、いちばん直すべきは最後のやつだと思う。
気配りができて、人を助けたがること自体は何も悪くない。問題は、それを歯止めなしにやって、自分の考えや気持ちを丸ごと無視してるところ。そこが湊の心の問題の根っこなんだよな。

Minato’s problem is a combination of **people-pleasing, conflict avoidance, and self-suppression**. Of those three, I think the last is the most important thing he needs to correct.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Minato being considerate and eager to help others. The problem is that he does it without restraint, while completely ignoring his own thoughts and feelings. That is where the root of his psychological problems lies.

湊の自己分析の流れを振り返ると、ここまで徹底して自分と向き合うことこそ、間違いを正すのに必要だったんだと思う。
湊の考えを少し客観的に読むと、自分の性格をちゃんと根っこまでたどれてるのが分かる。衝突を避ける裏にある弱さを認めて、自分を押し殺してきたせいで人を本当には信じられなくなってたと気づいて、最後に正しい選択をする。害のほうが大きい関係を終わらせて、歯止めのない八方美人をやめることだ。
でも湊は本当に、自分で言うように「誰のことも本当には思いやってこなかった」「自分の勝手な理由で人を利用してきただけ」の人間なのか？
自分はそうは思わない。
まず、動機じゃなく結果で行動を判断するなら、確かに恋愛での湊の振る舞いはアウトだ。恋愛には誠実さが要るからな。
でも、湊の優しさの多くは実際に人を助けてきた。
中学ではいじめや仲間外れを防ぐのに手を貸した。美姫がクラスメイトとの関係を立て直すのも手伝った。小雪には、本当に素敵な友情を経験させた。
仮に動機で判断したとしても、湊が自己分析の中で思ってるほど偽善的でも自己中でもないと思う。偽物の優しさは長続きしない。人を独りよがりにしがちだし、受け取る側もいずれ不誠実さを感じ取る。湊にはそのどれも起きてない。物語の前半でも、周りは湊を「人がよすぎる奴」と見てただけで、偽物とも計算高いとも思ってなかった。
たしかに八方美人なところは、衝突や孤立を怖がる気持ちから来てる部分もある。でも、それの何が悪い？　優しさのいちばん基本的な動機って、まさに「自分がその立場になったら、誰かに助けてほしい」って気持ちだろ。そう思って気配りできるようになって、実際に動いてきたことに、おかしいところも後ろめたいところも何もない。
それに湊は見返りを一切求めない。友達を本気で大事にしてる。根本から合ってない関係の中でさえ、必死に真剣に向き合おうとしてた。これ全部、湊が根っからとんでもなく優しい人間だって証拠だよ。
それでもまだ足りないなら、湊の自己分析の仕方をもう一度見てほしい。そもそも自分を振り返るきっかけは、桃香がなぜ怒ってるのか分からないことだった。
で、その振り返りが最後にたどり着くのは？
**「俺は桃香を傷つけた。このまま付き合い続けるわけにはいかない」**
分かるか？
*自分自身*を振り返ることすら、結局は本物の思いやりから来てるんだよ。

Looking back at Minato’s process of self-reflection, I think this level of thorough introspection is exactly what he needed in order to correct his mistakes.

If we read his thoughts from a more objective perspective, we can see that he successfully traces his personality back to its roots. He recognizes the weakness behind his conflict avoidance, realizes that suppressing himself has made it impossible for him to truly trust others, and finally makes the right choice: ending a relationship that is doing more harm than good, and putting an end to his completely unrestrained pattern of people-pleasing.

But is Minato really, as he tells himself, someone who has “never truly been considerate of anyone” and who has merely “used other people for his own selfish reasons”?

I do not think so.

First, if we judge actions by their consequences rather than their motives, then yes, Minato’s behavior in romantic relationships is unacceptable—because romantic love requires sincerity.

But many of Minato’s acts of kindness genuinely helped other people.

In middle school, he helped prevent bullying and social exclusion. He helped Miki repair her relationship with her classmates. And he gave Koyun the experience of a genuinely wonderful friendship.

Even if we *do* judge him by his motives, I still do not think Minato is nearly as hypocritical or selfish as he believes himself to be during his self-reflection. Fake kindness is difficult to sustain. It tends to make people self-righteous, and the people receiving it can usually sense the insincerity sooner or later. None of that happens with Minato. Earlier in the story, people simply see him as someone who is *too* nice for his own good—not as someone fake or calculating.

Yes, his people-pleasing behavior comes partly from his fear of conflict and his fear of being isolated. But what is actually wrong with that? One of the most basic motivations behind kindness is precisely the thought: *If I were ever in that position, I would hope someone would help me too.* There is nothing abnormal or illegitimate about Minato becoming considerate for that reason and then actually acting on it.

He also never asks for anything in return. He cares deeply about his friends. And even in a relationship that was fundamentally wrong for him, he still tried extremely hard to take it seriously. All of this shows that, at heart, Minato really is an extraordinarily kind person.

And if that still is not enough proof, then look again at the way Minato reflects on himself. What triggers his self-reflection in the first place is that he cannot understand why Momoka is angry.

And where does his reflection ultimately lead?

**“I hurt Momoka. I can’t keep dating her like this.”**

Do you see it?

Even the act of reflecting on *himself* is ultimately driven by genuine altruism.

今の湊にいちばん必要なのは、成長したあとの小雪だろ。
大人になって自分の気持ちにも素直になった今なら、
湊をちゃんと優先して大事にできるはず。

Right now the thing Minato needs most is post-character development Koyun who can probably prioritize and cherish him properly now that she's matured and more in-tune with her own feelings.

湊が崩れていく様子と、1期3話の美姫の言葉が今になって返ってくるのも面白い。見てて痛いけど、必要なキャラの成長だな。

It’s also interesting to see Minato’s spiral and how S1E3 Miki comes back to haunt him. It’s painful to watch the spiral but necessary character development.

笑えるのは、メインヒロインが「負けヒロイン」みたいな立場にいても、やっぱりベストガールなんだよな。冷静で、大人で、筋が通ってて、「勝った側」より上。
でも小雪は、今の湊がどれだけみじめで不幸か全然知らない。だから、湊は自分じゃなくて桃香と、望んで一緒にいるって本気で思ってる。ああ、知ってさえいれば……

It's funny how even when the Main Heroine is acting like the "Losing Heroine" she's still Best Girl with traits like being cooler, more mature, more reasonable, then the "winner."

But also Koyun has no idea how miserable and unhappy Minato is right now so she genuinely thinks he's with Momoka (and not her) because he wanted to be. Oh if only she knew...

ほんとそれ！　桃香の土俵に乗らないことで、桃香に空っぽの勝利を渡したんだよな。
それに、たとえ知ってたとしても二人を別れさせるのは、今の小雪のキャラに反すると思う。だからこそ桃香にああ言ったんだ。友達としても恋愛としても好きな相手を、浮気者にはしたくない。変わるなら、湊か桃香、あるいは二人の側からじゃないと。

So true! She delivered the hollow victory to Momoka by not playing her game.

I do think breaking them up even if she knew goes against Koyun’s character now - hence the point she was making to Momoka. She doesn’t want to turn someone who she likes both platonically and romantically into a cheater. The change needs to come from Minato and/or Momoka themselves

今回はマジで一気に前進した回だった。
いや、めちゃくちゃ良かった。

This episode felt like a real breakthrough with so much progress, damn. This episode was so good.

小雪とその成長が誇らしくてたまらない。あの子は宝物だよ

I'm so f*****g proud of Koyuki and her development, she's a gem

小雪と桃香の会話は、恋愛版の少年漫画バトルって感じで、
同じくらいアツかった。
ついでに言うと、兄ちゃんと話したあと、湊もパワーアップしてた！

The conversation between her and Momoka was the romance equivalent off a shonen battle, just as epic.

On a similar note, after the talk with his brother, Minato also got a power-up!

湊のキャラの変化と成長は、マジで研究されるべき。海斗に導かれて、そもそもなんで自分がこうなったのかやっと気づけて本当によかったし、今回、海斗が「自分自身との関係」の大切さを強調してくれたのも本当によかった。自分の好き嫌いを知ること、線引きをすること、自分に興味を持つことで自分というものをつかむこと。これって本当に人生の本質なんだよ。
結局、生まれた時から死ぬまで、最初から最後までずっとそばにいるのは自分だけなんだから。湊はしばらく罪悪感を抱えて自分を見つめ直すことになるだろうし、つらい時期になると思う。でもそこを越えたら、やっと本当になりたい自分になれるはず。

Minatos character arc and development literally needs to be studied. Im so glad he finally realised why he became like this in the first place due to kaitos guidance and im so glad Kaito emphasised how important it is to have a relationship with yourself this episode. Knowing your likes and dislikes, having boundaries, gaining a sense of self by being curious about yourself all of this is genuinely the true essence of a person's life.

In the end from your first breath until your last the only person whose by your side from the beginning till the end is you. Minatos definitely gonna spend some time feeling guilty and self reflecting and it'll be a tough stage but once he gets past this he'll finally be the man he truly wants to be.

>湊はしばらく罪悪感を抱えて自分を見つめ直すことになるだろうし、つらい時期になると思う。でもそこを越えたら、やっと本当になりたい自分になれるはず。
桃香と別れても、湊はたぶん落ち込んだままだと思う。自分は誰とも付き合えないし心も開けない、本当の自分や自分に必要なものを分かってくれる人なんていない、って思ってるからな。
そこで、OPみたいに小雪が湊を追いかけるわけだ。

>Minatos definitely gonna spend some time feeling guilty and self reflecting and it'll be a tough stage but once he gets past this he'll finally be the man he truly wants to be.

I think even if he breaks up with Momoka he's probably still going to be in a depressed funk because he doesn't think he can be in a relationship with anyone or open up his heart and no one really sees/understands him or what he needs.

Cue Koyun going after him like in the OP.

皮肉なのは、小雪が五十嵐について言ったことが、そのまま桃香に当てはまること。恋をしてる自分に恋してるだけで、相手を好きなこと自体はずっと二の次（好きではあるけど、比べものにならないくらい軽い）。たしかに行動力はあるし、湊と恋人っぽいこともしてるし、条件どおりに事が運ぶよう（自分の望みどおりに）抜かりなく手も打ってる。でも結局のところ、自分が欲しいものしか見えてないのが分かる。
いつも「湊、私のこと好き？」「湊、あの子と距離置いてくれる？」「湊、あの子がOKしたらあの子を選ぶ？」ばっかりで、「湊、これやろうよ」「湊のこういうとこ信じてる」「湊はどう思う？」は一度も無い。
それが小雪の言った桃香の根本的な欠点なんだよ。自分の利益しか見てないと、自分に足りないもの（湊からの気持ちの見返り）にしか目が行かなくて、相手が持ってるもの（湊の本当にいいところ）は見えない。湊が本当は何を考えて何を望んでるか、桃香は一瞬も考えない。人の気持ちを読むのはうまいから湊の気持ちには気づいてるのに、それに向き合おうとはしない。湊の鍵のことは知ってるのに、開けようとはせず、ドアノブをガチャガチャやってるだけ。
ある意味、友達が少ない桃香が、宿敵から必要な目覚ましをもらえたのは運がよかった。それに湊が、（自分を犠牲にしてでも）何もかも燃え尽きて壊れるまでは放っておかない最高にいい奴だったのもな。
あと、小雪も行動力を除けば桃香みたいになってたかもしれないって思うんだよね。人の見方が似てて、自分にとって大事な人とそうでない人をはっきり分けて、後者には社交辞令をしない。小雪は桃香に自分を重ねてたんだと思う。だからああいうことを言いたかった。悪意じゃなくて、歪んだ鏡を通して自分に言い聞かせてたって感じかな。
この二人みたいに自己分析ができる高校生って、どれくらいいるんだろうな。いるとしての話だけど。

It is ironic that Koyuki's comment about Igarashi is exactly what Momoka is: someone who is far more in love with the idea of being in love than being in love (she still does the latter but matters way less). Yes she's a go getter, yes she does couple things with Minato, yes she makes sure the condition works as intended (as she hopes), but at the end of the day, you can see that she is so fixated on what she wants.

It's always Minato do you like me, Minato would you keep distance from her, Minato would you choose her if she says yes, but never Minato let's do this, Minato I believe in this about you, Minato what do you think.

And that is the fundamental flaw of Momoka as coined by Koyuki: Total self-interest only makes you notice what you lack (Minato's reciprocity), but not what others have (What is actually good about Minato). Never in a moment does she think about what Minato actually thinks or wants. Yes she knows about his feelings because she's just that good at reading people, but she never tries to address them. She knows about his locks, but she never tries to open it, only hinging on the knob.

In a way, she's lucky that with how few friends she have, she got the wake up call she needs from her archnemesis, and Minato is such a goated boy that doesn't allow things to compltely burn and crash (at his own expense).

I also like to think that Koyuki could've been someone like her, minus the go getter spirit. They share similar perception on people, differentiate people into those who matters and those who don't to them, and never play the social parade to the latter. She probably sees herself in her, and that was why she wanted to tell Momoka what she told. Not out of malice or anything, but moreso reminding herself through a twisted mirror.

I do wonder how many highschoolers get this at self-analyzing as they did, if ever.

医者が湊に心療内科を勧めるの好き。メインキャラ同士で、アニメの十代がいつもやるみたいにお互いのセラピスト役をやってるのにな。
湊が桃香の最悪な部分を引き出しちゃって、逆に小雪には最高の自分を見つけさせたってのは皮肉だ。

I love the doctor advising Minato to go see a psychosomatic clinic as if the main cast aren't playing each others' therapists like anime teenagers are always doing lol.

It's ironic that Minato brought out the worst in Momoka but ended up helping Koyun discover her Best Self.

八方美人でいるってことは、多くの場合、人のために自分の一部を差し出すってことだ。それが必要な場面もよくある。でも自分から進んでやると、気づいてもらえるとは限らないし、ましてや感謝なんてされない。
やりすぎると自分を見失って、いつか心の中の葛藤に引き裂かれ始める。
湊とか士郎とか、思いつくどんな聖人みたいなキャラほど自己犠牲的な人はそういないけど、似たようなことは誰でも人生のどこかでやってると思う。で、自分が差し出しすぎてると気づいた時、そこからがすごく苦しい。
湊はそれを通り抜けて、すぐに桃香にとって最善だと思う道を選んだ。いずれ二人とも苦しむことになる関係を終わらせることだ。許してもらえないかもしれない。ずっと恐れてきた悪意をぶつけられるかもしれない。どんな結果になっても、その言葉を口にした瞬間、桃香を100%傷つけるのも分かってる。それでも、一瞬も迷わずに決めた。
湊は黄金の心を持った男だよ。アニメ勢にも、なんでここの一部の人が湊を死ぬ気で擁護するのか、まだなら分かってもらえるといいな。

Being a people pleaser means, in a lot of the times, giving away a piece of yourself for the sake of others. Often it's required. When you do it out of your own volition, you don't always get noticed let alone thanked for it.

And when you do it too much, you lose touch with your self and at one point the conflict within you starts tearing you apart.

Most people have never been as self-sacrificial like these funny characters like Minato or Shiro or whatever saint you can think of, but I think most have done similar things at some points in their life. And when you realize you are giving away too much, the process becomes very agonizing.

Minato went through it and immediately chose what he considers the best outcome for Momoka: to terminate what will eventually become an agony for both of them. Perhaps he wouldn't get forgiven. Perhaps he will be hit with the malice that he so deeply scares of for his whole life. And no matter the outcome, once the word leaves his mouth, he knows he will 100% hurt her. Yet he still resolves on it, without a moment of hesitation.

He is a man with a heart of gold, and I hope anime-onlies, if not already, can start seeing why some folks here will vehemently defend him to death.

自分はアニメ勢だけど、湊に自分を重ねてきたから、ずっと湊が好きだった。さすがに湊ほどじゃないけど、長いあいだ、まさに同じことをしてた。「いい息子」で、「いい友達」でいた。それが正しいと思ってた。いつ見捨てられてもおかしくないって不安から、自分を守れたからな。でも、それで幸せになれたことは一度も無かった。結局、周りに本当の自分を見せなかったし、自分でも本当の自分が見えなくなってた。今回の湊みたいな瞬間があって、やっと分かったんだ。八方美人でいても、誰も幸せにならないって。友達も、家族も、自分も。あのころ彼女がいても、きっと幸せにはできなかった。
だから、湊の決断に怒ってる人を見ても、同じ気持ちにはならない。自分もそこにいたから。あの考え方から抜け出すのがどれだけ大変か、知ってるんだ。
うわ、ちょっと重い自分語りになった。とにかく、この作品が好きだし、このキャラが好き。この先が楽しみでしょうがない。

I'm an anime-only and because I've related to him, I have always loved Minato. I've obviously not gone quite to the same extent, but for so long I did exactly what he did. I was the "good son", I was the "good friend", and I thought that was the right thing to do because it protected me from feeling like I could be abandoned at any second, but none of it made me happy. All it did was prevent people from seeing the true me, prevent ME from seeing the real me. And it took a moment like Minato had in this episode for me to see that being a people pleaser didn't really make anyone happy. Not my friends, not my family, not me. If I had had a girlfriend at that time, I wouldn't have made her happy either.

Perhaps that's why when I see others get mad about his decisions I don't feel the same. Because I've been there. I know how hard it is to get out of that mindset.

Wow, that got a bit deep and personal. Anyway, I love this show, I love this character. And I can't wait to see what comes next.

大丈夫だよ桃香、小雪が嫌わなくても俺が嫌ってやるから。湊じゃなくて小雪に距離を置けって頼んだあたり、完全なバカじゃないと思ったんだけど、それじゃ満足できなくて結局湊にも言っちゃった。欲しいものは全部手に入れてるのに、湊と小雪の幸せを壊してると分かってるから、どんどんみじめになってるだけ。欲深くて自己中な怪物の桃香が、八方美人の湊から全部奪って、それでも足りない。自信満々のつもりでも、結局は不安なだけなんだよ。湊を病院送りにして、存在の危機まで抱えさせるくらい有害。あの最後の台詞が別れるって意味ならいいけど、そうじゃなくて付き合い方を変えるだけって意味なんじゃないかと心配だ。

Its okay Momoka, I hate you even if Koyun doesn't. I thought she wasn't a complete idiot by asking Koyun to keep her distance instead of Minato, but that didn't satisfy her so she ended up telling Minato as well. She's getting everything she wants, but she's only getting more miserable because she knows she's ruining Minato and Koyun's happiness. Insatiable selfish monster Momoka is taking everything from people pleaser Minato and its not enough. She thinks she's confident but she is just insecure in the end. She's so toxic she sent Minato to the doctor and gave him an existential crisis. I have hope that final line means he's going to dump her, but I fear its not and its more so he's going to change his approach in how he dates her.

今回の対決、桃香は手に負えないことに首を突っ込んだみたいだな。小雪からも湊からも同じ答えが返ってきて、悪意のある言葉なんてひとつも無かったのに、余計に不安になってる。
湊の体調はどんどん悪くなってて、ストレスも限界に近い。兄ちゃんとの再会が、湊が自分と自分の心の動きを理解するのに必要なものなのかもな。

Looks like Momoka bit off more than she can chew with today's confrontations. Got the same answers from Koyun and Minato while feeling even more insecure despite nothing malicious being said.

Minato's health continues to take a hit and the stress is reaching critical levels. Perhaps this meeting with his brother is what Minato needs to understand himself and his psychology.

なんでいつもいつも湊の家のシーンを削るんだよ。アニメ化で一番シーンを削られてるの、狙い撃ちみたいに湊なんだよな、おかしいだろ。湊が家でご飯を食べながらテレビを見てて、このお笑い番組好きだなって思ってるのに、母親がチャンネルを変えたいって言ったらすぐにいいよって言う。で、母親はああいうお笑いは嫌いなのよって話し始めて、湊は黙って合わせてるだけ。原作の湊の成長は、見せ方も語り方もすごく丁寧なんだよ。
海斗に、空気を読んで言いたいこともやりたいことも全部隠してるって言われる場面が刺さるのは、湊が無意識にそれをやってるのを読者が実際に*見てる*からなんだ。
良かったのは良かったけど、桃香と小雪のパートは間が多くてゆっくりで、湊のパートはテンポが速く感じた。自分だけかもしれないけど。原作だと湊は車の中で吐いてたし、体調の悪さがもっとずっと重くて深刻だった。
とにかくテレビ番組のシーンは、八方美人が湊にどれだけ深く染みついてるかを見せる、すごく強い場面だった。だから、前のシーズンで家のシーンが削られただけじゃなく、湊自身の成長の話の最中にまで削られたのが、また本当に残念だ。

Why do they always ALWAYS delete Minato's home scenes. He has targetedly been the one having the most scenes cut between anime and manga it's crazy. Minato at home eating and watching TV and thinking he likes this comedy show and when his mom wants to change it he immediately says yes. His mom then goes on to say how she hates those types of comedy and Minato just stays silent and agreeable. Manga Minato's character arc as so much show AND tell.
The part where Kaito tells him he keeps reading the room and hiding everything he wants to say or do hits because we SEE him do it without even realizing he is doing it subconsciously.

While great, I thought the Momoka, Koyuki part was slower with more pauses, while the Minato portion felt paster paced. Maybe just me. Minato also threw up in the car. His sickness felt way more heavy and serious.
Overall the scene with the TV show was a very powerful scene to show how deep his people pleasing in ingrained in him. So once again I am pretty upset that not only were his home scenes cut from last season. They were cut during Minato's own character arc.

桃香はナルシストだよ。単純な話。他人のことを一切考えないから、共感力が無い。自分はもういい歳だけど、人生でこういう人に3人出会った（ありがたいことに恋愛関係じゃない）。で、その「桃香たち」は最後には恨みがましくなって孤独になった。小雪に嫌われたかったのも、自分を少しでも悪く思わずに済むからで、主導権を握れるからでしかない。桃香の魂というか心には穴が空いてて、それを埋めようとするけど決して足りないし、満たされることもない。そういう意味では、やり方を変えない限り自分だけの地獄にいるんだよ。そういう人を嫌わずに完全に無関心でいるのは自分も苦労したけど、40代になると、ほんとにどうでもよくなる。嫌うのってすごくエネルギーを食うんだ。自分のためには何にもならない。

Momoka is a narcissist. Plain and simple. She never thinks about anyone else and therefore, lacks empathy. As an OG, I’ve known three of them in my lifetime (thank god, not in a relationship) and, those Momokas, ended up bitter and alone. The only reason she wanted Koyun to hate her is so she can feel less bad about herself and because it gives Momoka control. Momoka will have a hole in her soul/heart that she will try to fill up, but it will never be enough, she will never feel content. In that respect, they have their own personal hell unless they change their ways. Not hating them and being completely indifferent to them is something I struggled with, but in my 40s, boy, you stop caring at all. The energy to hate is so awful. It does nothing for you.

このシリーズで自滅していくキャラは小雪のほうだと思ってたのに、ライバルと戦う必要すら無いとはな。

I thought Koyun was the self-destructive character in this series, but she doesn't even need to fight against her rival.

>それと湊、自分の何が悪いのか悩んでるよな。彼氏のふりをしてるだけで、本当の彼氏になってないんだよ。
それは湊が桃香を本当は好きじゃないからで、二人ともそれを分かってる。

> And Minato, you're wondering what you're doing wrong. You're larping as a boyfriend and not actually being one.

Because he doesn't actually love her, and both of them know that.

桃香「ほう、イキってるね。魔人桃香と戦う気？」
小雪「戦う？いや、正論で論破したいだけ」

Momoko: So hotshot, you want to fight Majin Momoko?

Koyun: Fight you? No, I wanna kill you with facts and logic.

>好きでも共感してたわけでもないけど、最初から「桃香の言い分も分かる」って見方はしてた。でも今回ばかりは、小雪からのこの目覚ましが本当に必要だったし、当然の報いだと思う。
同じく。[1話のスレ](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1wv2k78/the_ramparts_of_ice_season_2_koori_no_jouheki/pd9ajpx/)では、桃香の社交性がうらやましいとまで書いたくらい。でも、それでも略奪するって言ったところで完全に冷めた。

> I’ve never agreed or liked her, but from the start I’ve always had a “I understand where she’s coming from” attitude towards her. But here, I think she really needs and deserves this wake up call from Koyun.

Same. I even said [in the episode 1 thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1wv2k78/the_ramparts_of_ice_season_2_koori_no_jouheki/pd9ajpx/) that I was jealous of her social adeptness. But saying she'd still homewreck is definitely where she lost me.