【海外の反応】ヤニすう1話、「せめて姉妹だとは思うべきだろう」

田山の6人目の彼氏になるということは……

being Yatama's 6th boyfriend...

彼女の6人目の彼氏は、8人前の彼氏だぞアノン

>>1

She had her 6th boyfriend eight boyfriends ago anon.

彼女の6人目の彼氏は高校のときだぞアノン

>>1

She had her sixth boyfriend in high school anon

>中古品
切る

>>1

>used goods
dropped

むしろ彼女の最初の彼氏だ

>>1

more like her first boyfriend
[spoiler]don't count the girlfriends[/spoiler]

40歳同士の恋愛は、この作品が描くほど本当に惨めなものなのか

Is romance between 40yo people really as miserable as this show portrays it to be?

あの子は24歳だ

>>6

The girl is 24 yo

恋愛？

>>6

romance?

>佐々木
ピーちゃんはどうなった

>Sasaki
What happened to Pii-chan?

※ 同じ「佐々木」つながりで『佐々木とピーちゃん』を持ち出している

彼らは来期に戻ってくる

>>9

they're returning next season

鳥のスープ

>>9

Bird soup

そうさ／何が起きても大丈夫／だって俺たちは最高だから／イエー

>>9

YEAH
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IT'S OK
BECAUSE WE'RE THE BEST WE'RE THE BEST
OH YEAH!

兄弟たち……ミニ話数を全部見てしまった。俺は自分を台無しにしたのか

Bros....I watched all of the mini episodes
Did I f**k myself?

君は7日後に死ぬ

>>13

You will die in 7 days.

助かる方法は、ミニ話数を逆順に見てから、正規の第1話を見ることだけだ

>>13

You can only save yourself by watching the mini episodes backwards, then start with the proper episode 1.

話の途中まで飛ばせば、新しい部分が見られるようだ

>>13

Looks like you can just fast forward to the mid point of the episode to see the new stuff

いや、ただ2話をくっつけただけだ

>>16

no it's just two episodes pushed together

そうだ。最初からそうすればよかったのに、おかげで作品の話題は死んでいる

Yes, they could've just done that all along but now all discussion of the show is dead.

何なんだこれは。同じ話数なのは分かるが、どうして戻って引き延ばすんだ

>>18 >>17

What the absolute f**k
I mean, they're still the same episodes and everything, but why would they backtrack and expose their own releasing failure like this? it's confusing as hell, and i doubt it'll boost discussion that much at this point

最初からの計画なら、それは後戻りではない。ミニ話数の狙いは、本放送の宣伝を増やすことだった

>>19

It's not backtracking if it was the plan from the start. The idea with the mini-episodes was to signal boost the show's actual airing. I don't know if it worked or not, though.

業界は、大きな先行公開や複数話同時放送、特別に長い第1話が、作品への期待を高めると気づいたんだ

>>19

The industry figured out that doing some big early release or starting with multiple episodes or an extra long episode increases hype around the series and raises popularity, so now everyone is doing it

出会った唯一の可愛い子に対して、気持ち悪い妄想をする。彼は文字通り俺だ

>daydreams about being a creepy weirdo to the one cute girl you meet
He's literally me

彼女は気持ち悪がっただろう。あれは罠だ

she would've got grossed out. it was a trap

このアノンは分かっている。佐々木が下心のある男だったら、田山は真面目に相手にしなかった。綺麗な子はいつもああいうことをする

>>23

This anon gets it. If Sasaki was a sleeze Tayama wouldn't have taken him seriously. Pretty girls pull s**t like that all the time because they know they're pretty and enjoy messing around with simps.

>下心
ただの煙草だ。みんな普通に回し合う

>>23 >>24

>sleeze
It's a smoke bro, people share them all the time

別の世界線では、彼女は何でも好きなものをあげると言い、二人はモーテルへ行く

In an alternate universe she would tell him he can have anything he wants then they go to a motel and we get a scene of Tayama doing the cowgirl on top of Sasaki

>あのフィルターに残った、彼女のわずかな唾液の感触
俺なら絶対に断れない

>The sensation of that tiny bit of her saliva remaining on the filter
I could never refuse

みんな、俺はタバコを始めたぞ。俺のゴスの彼女はどこだ

Guys, I started smoking. Where's my goth girlfriend?

日が暮れてからスーパーの裏に行け

>>28

Behind the supermarket after dark

エモのライブに行けばいるぞ

>>28

Just go to the emo concerts anon.

>俺は匂い好きで良かった
サラリーマンだけだ

>>28

see>>289263254
good thing I'm a smelle●●●
only the salaryman is

俺が出せる最高の条件は、アービーズの裏のゴミ箱で今まさにオーバードーズしてるヤク中だ

>>28

best offer I have for you is a crackhead that is currently od'ing by the dumper behind an Arby's.

じっと見つめてくる

Stares at you.

じいぃ〜

>>33

jiiii~

おじさんの主人公が情けなくて退屈すぎる。山田がどうして彼を好きなのかも分からない

unc mc is so f*****g pathetic and boring. not sure why yamada even likes him

なあ、タバコはそろそろ文化的に復活すべきだと思うんだ

You know, I think smoking needs a cultural comeback.

西側では喫煙は間違いなく疎まれている。でも日本ではまだかなり受け入れられているように見えるな。大人はだいたい吸っている感じがする

>>36

In the West, smoking is definitely ostracized, but it seems to me like in Japan it is still very socially accepted, pretty much every adult smokes. A show like this would never get made in the West.

日本にも厳しい喫煙法はある。日本を何でも褒めるオタクみたいな言い方をする前に、少しは調べてくれ

>>37

Yeah, no... There are strict smoking laws in Japan too. How about you do some research instead of talking like a weeb that praises Japan ignorantly?

日本には小さな喫煙所があって、みんなそこに並んで火をつけてるんだぞ。喫煙は完全に、してはいけないこととして扱われている

>>37

Bro, they literally have small smoking zones in Japan, and people stand in lines to them so they can light one up. Smoking is a huge no no there.

クラーク・ケントは猫背にして眼鏡をかけるだけで世界を騙してるぞ

Clark Kent fools people by hunching over and wearing glasses

見た目が似ていて服装も振る舞いも全然違うふたりがいたら、俺なら同一人物より先に双子を疑うね

If I see two "people" that look similar but act and dress completely different, I'd sooner guess that they were twins instead of them being the same person

二人が一緒にいるところを一度も見なかったらどうする。何か怪しいと思い始めるか

>>41

What if you never see them together? Would you start to suspect something?

……同じ女なのか？

it's the same chick???

佐々木……

>>43

Sasaki...

サ・スローキくん……

>>43

SaSLOWki-kun...

ただ『ヤニねこ』と同じ時期に放送したかっただけだろう

They just wanted to air same time as Cigarette Kino guys

ミニ話数は、1期の全部を含んでいるわけではない

The mini episodes don't cover the whole season.

見てきた。佐々木は大人としては思ったより情けないが、田山は（危険なほうの）色っぽさだ。ミニ話数というのは何の話だ

Just watched it, Sasaki is more pathetic than I expected from a grown adult but Tayama is (the dangerous kind of) sexo
What's this about mini episodes and everyone having already watched it?

各話の前半と後半を切り出した「ミニ話数」を出していたんだ。だから多くの人は、もう最初の6話ぶんを見てしまっている

>>48

They released "mini episodes" which were just each half of an episode. So basically, most people have already seen the first six episodes of this anime after watching the 12 mini episodes.

それが要点なんだ。彼は彼女を理想化しすぎていて、ありのままの彼女を見ても同一人物だと分からない

That's the whole point. He has such an idealized view of her that when he sees her as she really is he has no idea it's the same person.

実は、チョーカーは首のほくろを隠すため、イヤーバンドはピアス穴を隠すためだと後で明かされるぞ

It's later revealed that [spoiler]her choker is used to hide the neck mole, she uses earbands to hide her ringholes and Yamada and Tayama have the same feet finger paint, however he only realises this by chapter 49-51 or so[/spoiler]

それで通じるんだ

It works my man

こちらのほうがさらに悪かった

>>52

this was even worse

ミニ話数を全部見てしまった人には、新しい回まで6週間待つということだ

It means 6 weeks of waiting for new episodes if you already watched the minis

これは処理しきれない

I can't handle allat

しまった、漫画の山田はこんな見た目ではなかった気がする

>>55

Damn, I don't remember Yamada looking like that in the manga

EDの、あの何気なくもたれかかる姿がいつも頭に浮かぶ

>>55

im always thinking of that simple leaning pose on the ed

彼女は処女なのか

Is she a virgin?

大笑いだ

>>58

lol

君はそうなのか

>>58

are you?

そうだ
>それはどういう意味だ

>>60 >>59

Yes.
What's that supposed to mean?

いや違う。そこがいい

>>58

No, which is hot.

彼女はそうに違いない……

>>58

she has to be...

たぶん、お尻が痛いんだ

Maybe her butt hurts.

何から

>>64

From what?

俺からだ

>>65

me.

ミニ話数を見るほど馬鹿だった場合だけ、後戻りになる。完全版を待った男たちは、正規の放送まで待っていた

>>19

It's only backtracking if you were stupid enough to watch the mini episodes.
Full episode CHADS were waiting until the proper release.

この喫煙者たちは何を食べているんだ

what do they feed these smokers?

彼女はそんな見た目ではない

>>68

that's not what she looks like

ラーメンだけだ。それが彼女の趣味だ

>>68

Ramen, only ramen. That's her hobby.

誰かが、彼女が煙草を見るような目で俺を見てくれたらいいのに
>美味しい餅の棒

>>68

I wish someone would look at me the way she looks at that cigarette.

Yummy mochi sticks.

おでんとストロングゼロ

>>68

Oden and Strong Zero

尻が大きすぎる

Ass too big

彼はかなり良くなる。物語が進むにつれて、彼と田山の役割はほぼ逆転する

He gets a lot better. He and Tayamada's roles basically reverse as the story progresses

>彼は良くなる
嘘だ。物語はずっと同じ輪の中で、どこにも進んでいない

>>74

>He gets better
Bullshit, the story is the same f*****g loop and has gone nowhere.

そうでもない。むしろ逆だ

>>75

Not really, it's the other way around

漫画を読まずに済むよう助けてくれてありがとう

>>75

thanks for saving me from the manga

これは面白いのか

Is this good?

顔を赤らめるゴスの女の子と、手つなぎは好きか

>>78

Do you like blushing goth girls and handholding?

これと『ヤニねこ』の、どちらを見るべきだ

>>79 >>81 >>82

Should I watch this or Chain Smoking Cat?

もちろん。毎週「くっつくのかくっつかないのか」をやる作品を想像しろ。ただしこちらは「彼は気づくのか気づかないのか……ばか」だ

>>78

sure. just imagine a show where every week it's "will they won't they" except it'll be "will he figure it out or won't he? ...baka"

心地よくて優しい作品だ

>>78

It's comfy and sweet

両方見るべきだ。こっちは夢のため、猫のほうは現実のためにな

>>80

you should watch both. This for the dream, Cat for reality.

しまった、ミニ話数が1期の前半だと思って今日見終えて、この回から後半が始まると思っていた

F**k i finished today the minis because i was thinking those are the first court part and start the second with this episode

喫煙アニメは全部、経営が傾いた大手たばこ会社が、若者に喫煙を格好いいと思わせたくて出資しているんだ

All the smoke animes are invested by the big smoking companies because they are going bankrupt and want young people to think that smoking is cool

口に噛みたばこを含んだ女性とキスをする

>>85

kissing women when they have tobacco chew in their mouth

君が正しいかもしれないが、それでも俺はこのアニメを楽しんでいる

>>85

You may be right, but I enjoy this anime regardless.

電子たばこのせいで、みんなが喫煙とその類を格好悪いと思うようになったんだ

>>85

Blame e-cigs making everybody think smoking and derivatives to be gay

本気であの脚だよ。参った

Seriously, those legs dude. God.

何時間も立ちっぱなしでいるためにできている

>>89

Built for standing up for hours at a time

見ようと思っていた。放送されたものと今放送されているものに、実際の違いはあるのか。14分のミニ話数が12本……

i've been meaning to watch this
is there an actual difference between what was aired and what's airing now?
12 "mini" episodes that are 14 mins long...does this new release flesh out each episode or does it "start" assuming you watched the 12 mini episodes first?

i'm just going with the description i saw online of it, i'm not entirely sure how accurate this is

そうだ。だから『ヤニねこ』は良い。依存者が何の利益も無く自分を壊していく情けなさを見せている

Yeah, which is why chainsmoker cat is based, for showing how addicts are pathetic people who ruin themselves for zero benefit

>第1話が2日経っても300レスに届かない
『ヤニねこ』のほうが優れた喫煙アニメだと確定した

>struggles to cross 300 replies after two days on first episode
Yani neko is the better smoking anime confirmed

化粧と声を変えられたら、間違えることはあると思う。ただ、せめて姉妹だとは思うべきだろう

With makeup and using a different voice you could make the mistake.
He should have at least think they're sisters though.

実写化したのか

>>94

They made a live action?

そうかもしれない

Maybe.

どちらのほうが好みだ

Which one do you prefer?

第7話が放送されるまであと六週間。待ち時間で死にそうだ

Only 6 more weeks until episode 7 finally airs. The wait has been killing me

こんな馬鹿げた判断に誰がゴーサインを出したのか信じられない

I can't believe someone greenlit such a dumb decision.

そうだ。ここしばらくのアニメで見た中でも、いちばん愚かな決定の一つだ

Yeah it's gotta be one of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a bit for anime.

もちろん『スティール・ボール・ラン』もある

well there's of course also Steel Ball Run

※ 『ジョジョの奇妙な冒険』第7部。掲載誌の移籍で刊行の間隔が変わった

『スティール・ボール・ラン』はひそかにうまくいったと思う。今日でもまだ配信の話をしている人を見かける。第6部はそのぶん話題を失った

I feel like Steel Ball Run lowkey worked because I’m still seeing people talk about its release today. Part 6 did lose a lot of interactions with its Netflix release but SBR is still being talked about with 1 episode.

そうだが……こちらはファンをじらしているだけだ

Yeah but like… it’s giving us fans steel blue balls >:(

混乱している。てっきり続きから長い尺でやるものだと思っていた。新しい第1話は、ミニ版の最初の二本ということ？　何か足されているの？

I'm confused tho, I rlly thought they'd just continue with full length episodes. The new First episode is just the first 2 mini episodes? Did they add something new?

作品に目を向けさせるという意味では大成功だった。だからまた同じことをやる作品が出てきても驚かない

It was a huge success in getting eyes on the show, so I wouldn't be surprised there might be a chance you see it done again. Same thing has been done with releasing the first few episodes ahead for other shows anyways so it's nothing new.

作品に目を向けさせるという意味では大成功だった。先行公開に不満な人は多いだろうが、効果という点では

It was a huge success in getting eyes on the show
Yes, a lot of people might be unhappy about the pre-release but in terms of the effectiveness of the strategy, it does seem to have been very successful (i.e. not actually dumb).
If anything it's benefited immensely from word of mouth in terms of not having to go head-to-head with Chainsmoker Cat for grabbing an audience for "the smoking anime". This won't be relevant for a lot of people here because of the sheer number of seasonals many people watch, but for people who watch less, the little things can make a difference.

みんなと一緒にこの形で通して見られるように、ミニ版は我慢していた

I've been holding off the mini series so I can fully watch the anime like this alongside with everyone else

同じだ。完全版を待っていた

same. I have been waiting for full length.

同じだ。これからは毎週見て、先行配信なんて無かったことにする

Same, I am now going to watch this weekly and pretend the pre release didn't happen

先行版を見た。実際の放送とは違うのか。第1話を飛ばし見した限り、大きな違いは分からなかった

I watched the pre release. Is it different from the actual series? Just skipping through Ep1 didn't show much difference to me.

同じだ。第1話は本当に楽しめた。期待どおりの出来だった

Same.
Really enjoyed episode 1, its was as peak as I expected it to be!

あれが本編ではないことにすら気づいていなかった

I didn’t even realize those weren’t the actual episodes

OPとEDの曲は、ミニ版のほうがずっといい

The opening and ending songs are much better in the mini series

この作品はとにかく良いから、第7話が来るまで毎週この形で見返すよ

this one is so good I will just rewatch it all weekly in the new format until 7 lands

続きから始まると思っていたが、毎週見返すのも悪くない。それくらい良い作品だ

I thought they were gonna continue where they left but I might as well rewatch it weekly too
Its so good

それに、制作側が意図した流れで映像化を見られるという利点もある。標準的な作り方をしていればの話だが

yeh, and there is also an added benefit of seeing the adaptation flow as the studio intended it, well assuming that the anime was produced in the standard way then split after as some kind of weird marketing distribution deal???

俺は毎週見返している。この作品が本当に好きだ。『ヤニねこ』との落差が最高だ

I’m just rewatching it each week haha. I really enjoyed the show.
The absolute stark contrast to Chainsmoker Cat is awesome for me.

1期の前半をもう一度見るのは構わない。ここまでの映像化はとても良い

I don’t mind rewatching the first half of the season again. The adaption has been very good thus far.

同じだ。ここまでとても楽しい作品だし、見返すのも構わない

Same here. It's been a very enjoyable show thus far, and I don't mind rewatching.

ミニ版はもう三回見返した。あと一回増えたところで何ということはない

I've already rewatched the mini episodes 3 times, what's one more time with the full episodes. But yah, was hoping they would release all at once.

第7話から始まってくれることを願っていた

Man, I was hoping this would just start on episode 7

本当に、あのミニシリーズは何のためだったんだ

Fr wtf was the point of the mini series if they were just going to do this

おかげで、この作品はSNSでかなり注目された

The show has gotten a lot of attention in social media because of it.

うまくいったと思う。特に宣伝としては。どの作品も単独では見られない。春も夏も続編で埋まっている

I think it worked; especially as a marketing move.
You really can't look at any one show in a vacuum. Spring was and Summer is pretty stacked with sequels and a lot of hyped new shows. A low-key slice of life would just get lost in the crowd. Putting it out as fifteen-minute bite sized segments after the dust settled from Spring, but before Summer took off got it on people's radar when it would have otherwise been ignored.

実際すごく効果があったと思う。この作品の名前をあちこちで聞いたし、今期の人気で三本の指に入るところまで来ている

Yeah i'd say it was extremely successful. I've heard of this anime everywhere and it flew up the charts on MAL in popularity for this season. Like legit it's the top 3 in popularity for the season.

日本の視聴者にとっては現実的ではないと思う。ミニ話数はたぶん変な時間帯に放送されている

I don't think that's realistic for the Japanese viewers.
The mini episodes are probably airing at weird timeslots. You can't expect Japanese viewers to watch episode 1-6 at weird times, then somehow switch to the "regular" time slot for episode 7.
It sucks for streaming viewers like us but Japanese viewers should go first here.

第7話ではなく第1話から始まる理由だが、先行配信は配信サービス限定だったんだ。今日がテレビでの正式な放送初日ということになる

For those who’re wondering why it starts with Episode 1 instead of 7, it’s because the early release was only for the streaming service. Today’s the official premiere across the TV networks.
Yamada sounded nothing like Tayama. Little wonder why Sasaki’s fooled. He also didn’t seem to be the nosy type so he readily took her explanations in face value.
A relaxed vibe with minimal drama and very light comedy. The perfect show to wind down after a hard day at work.

佐々木の側にも、あえて見ないようにしている部分があると思う。若い女性をじっと見つめたら不審者になってしまうから、顔の特徴をあまり見ないようにしているんだ

There seems to be a bit of willful ignorance from Sasaki as well. Looking too intently at a younger woman would make him look like a creep, so he doesn’t focus too much on her features. At least that’s my explanation for it, even it the story stretches believability a little.

背中合わせの会議と、その消耗っぷり。これはアニメというより現実だ

Anime IRL moment with back-to-back work meetings and how draining they can be

夜七時から深夜零時まで会議をして、何も決まらないなんてことがあり得るのか。佐々木にタバコと山田の天使みたいな笑顔がなかったら、確実に限界を超えているぞ

Seriously, how is it possible to have a meeting from 7pm to midnight and decide nothing?!
Good thing that Sasaki has cigarettes and Yamada/Tayama's angelic smile, otherwise he'd surely be on the verge of a mental breakdown by now.

この夏、木曜日は「タバコ木曜日」と呼ぶことにする

I hereby designate Thursdays this summer to be 'Tobacco Thursdays'.

木曜日

Thursdays
mokuyoubi

ふたつの作品が喫煙にまるで違う印象を与えているのが、さらに面白い。田山は喫煙を格好よく見せて、ヤニねこのヤニ子は二度と吸いたくなくさせる

Yeah, although it's even funnier that they give such different impressions on smoking. Tayama makes it look sexy, while Yaniko from Yani Neko makes you never want to do it, ever xD

この期の前半は、ミニ話数をそのまま通常の話数として流すことになりそうだ。それも分かるが、少し残念だ

looks like the first half of this season is going to be all the mini episodes just airing as normal epsiodes, i guess that makes sense but itll be a bit sad to wait about 7 weeks for new content.

ミニ話数は見ずに、実際の放送まで待った。その甲斐があった

I didn't watch those mini episodes I waited till the actual release for this anime and it was worth it!

ミニ話数と比べてどうなんだ。同じ話を長い形でやるのか。どちらを見るか迷っている

How does this compare with the mini episodes? is this going to be the same story but in a longer format?
asking cause I'm not sure whether to go for the mini first and the season episodes, or skip mini

では、ミニ話数を見ずにこれだけ見ればいいのか

So, I can just watch this and not any mini episodes?

ああ、あれはミニ話数だけだった

nah it was only for the mini episodes

間違いなく、ミニ話数のいちばん良いところだった

That was the best part of the mini episodes for sure.

山田の話し方が田山と違う理由だが、日本には「接客用の声」というものがある。声を高くして、抑揚を変えて、丁寧な言い回しを選ぶ。日本語ではこれが徹底されている

In case you're wondering why Yamada speaks differently from Tayama, there's such a thing as a "customer service" voice in Japan. Higher pitch, different cadence, and also choice "polite" words.

ミニ話数は我慢した。原作に追いついていて、このアニメを2年ほど待っていた。まず音楽が最高だ

I held back on the mini episodes. Being caught up with the manga and anticipating this anime for what... two years now?
First thing the music is bang on with the vibe, and second, the VAs are absolutely knocking it out of the park. I will probably never get over Yamada/Tayama's "Ojisaaan, kochi kochi, koko nara tabako sumimasen" while I am breathing.
Oh, and of course, since this is a smoking anime, I had to go and light one up while watching. Will do that for every single episode.
Overall, I am very happy with how this is getting adapted, and I hope it continues like that onward.

そもそも、ミニ話数の意味は何だったんだ。今まで見た中でいちばん愚かな決定だ

What was even the point of the mini episodes? Dumbest decision ive ever seen.